Nearly a year in, Does TW acknowledge the anniversary with an update for when EA will be done?

[AxiosXiphos]

Thing is, from what I remember those games weren’t charged with AAA prices

I mean I can find examples all day though.

Much more steady decline for CK3; but then also much less initial player count as it was a lot more 'niche;'.

it's hard to find a perfect comparison as M&B is a very unique genre; but I think it is pretty clear this isn't unusual with anticipated releases.

 

[Bannerman Man]

@AxiosXiphos If you want to compare games, SteamDB is a much better tool. It allows you to align games by release all into one graph:

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Its only limitation is that you can't manually align games, so if a game's all-time peak isn't at launch it's harder to compare. Here's the source for this graph (click 1y and drag the little window at the bottom all the way to the left). To use that tool you have to click the little + in the left margin for each game, then press "Compare Games" in the header

 

[AxiosXiphos]

@AxiosXiphos If you want to compare games, SteamDB is a much better tool. It allows you to align games by release all into one graph:

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It's only limitation is that you can't manually align games, so if a game's all-time peak isn't at launch it's harder to compare. Here's the source for this graph (click 1y and drag the little window at the bottom all the way to the left). To use that tool you have to click the little + in the left margin for each game, then press "Compare Games" in the header

Hmm - very useful.

 

[Berzerker Jay]

down worry they wont
in my opinion cyberpunk is like you say because of poor development/publishing nothing to do with consumers. bannerlord is a failure in a similar way except that cyberpunk will recover on its own where as TW don't seem to have the ability to make a great game and will never deliver what many of us want even with another 5 years spent on the game. They simply have poor direction.

CDProjekt Red's big and fatal error was caving to pressure from consumers, many of whom probably never meant to play the game anyway. The real fans of the Cyberpunk franchise were often the ones urging devs to take their time and make it good, but instead the devs went against everything they stood for -- crunch -- and pushed out the game with haste.

Deadlines ruin creative products, always. Reasonable deadlines to ensure productivity are fine and good, and they generally will increase productivity, but an actual hard deadline to release a creative product like this is foolish. You can't rush the finish. It's not that different from sex -- want to make it bad, then rush.

 

[Mad Vader]

Software development is like childbirth, which goes faster if you assign nine women for one month. The fans of the baby won't wait for nine months and may move on to other more timely babies.
Actually no, that's nonsense, game development is like baking a cake, but instead of a cake you have cars of different prices and quality.
I hope this helps understand the process better.

 

[babelfisch]

Software development is like childbirth, which goes faster if you assign nine women for one month. The fans of the baby won't wait for nine months and may move on to other more timely babies.
Actually no, that's nonsense, game development is like baking a cake, but instead of a cake you have cars of different prices and quality.
I hope this helps understand the process better.

Beautiful post. I love it.

 

[badman]

Not sure why people want EA to finish. If the end of EA is coming soon, that does not mean the game will get more content and everything be fixed soon, it means that they're pretty happy with how it is right now.
That's what you don't want. Given the current state of the game I hope the end of EA is a long way off.

 

[vonbalt]

Not sure why people want EA to finish. If the end of EA is coming soon, that does not mean the game will get more content and everything be fixed soon, it means that they're pretty happy with how it is right now.
That's what you don't want. Given the current state of the game I hope the end of EA is a long way off.

Agreed, as long as they keep working on the game i'm happy with EA taking longer, i've already waited almost a decade for bannerlord, i can wait a bit longer to see it become a worthy successor of warband

 

[Senko]

Not sure why people want EA to finish. If the end of EA is coming soon, that does not mean the game will get more content and everything be fixed soon, it means that they're pretty happy with how it is right now.
That's what you don't want. Given the current state of the game I hope the end of EA is a long way off.

I can understand why people want the end of EA. The longer the EA the longer we have to wait for the good mods to come out.

 

[Julio-Claudian]

I can understand why people want the end of EA. The longer the EA the longer we have to wait for the good mods to come out.

#1 reason lol. Atm it seems as though most mods get abandoned because people don't want to keep updating them.

 

[Berzerker Jay]

Who here thinks a modder who will give up on this game because of, of all things, that it is in early access still?

These are the modders who will create problems and dash away, kids who will not create quality content. I personally see it as a good thing that they're going away, if they are.

The real modders who will produce quality mods like were made for Warband will stick around, and they will produce better mods for Bannerlord going through full development and know they will.

Now imagine someone taking over your work because for no good reason at all they insist their vision for it is better. That's what this sounds like.

 

[Mad Vader]

The committed modders (not the casual tweakers) don't have unlimited time to spend on a time-consuming hobby like modding. They do most of their work at a time of their life when they do have extra time, like when they are single, unemployed or in prison (maybe). This window of extra time eventually closes as life events happen - people get married, get a demanding job or are released from modding prison.
If Bannerlord frequent patches makes modding frustrating, so some modders leave, this is not a cause for celebration. Some of those guys could have done a lot and maybe won't be back ever. Even more will leave until the game becomes stable enough for serious mod efforts.
You can trust the local blusterer to disparage them as weaklings who need to be weeded out.

 

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

Who here thinks a modder who will give up on this game because of, of all things, that it is in early access still?

Me.

As madvader said modders have a million other things they could be doing with their skills and time instead of fixing a crappy kids game. Most of them are modding because on some level they absolutely hate the base game. The most vitriolic criticism I've heard about warband and bannerlord has been from people who mod it extensively, myself and madvader included. One example of how tentative the relationship is was back in 2015 when Viking Conquest came out, and Taleworlds let the external developers break a load of stuff in the base game, so pretty much everyone working on mods stopped around then and moved on to something else.

 

[Berzerker Jay]

Me.

As madvader said modders have a million other things they could be doing with their skills and time instead of fixing a crappy kids game. Most of them are modding because on some level they absolutely hate the base game. The most vitriolic criticism I've heard about warband and bannerlord has been from people who mod it extensively, myself and madvader included. One example of how tentative the relationship is was back in 2015 when Viking Conquest came out, and Taleworlds let the external developers break a load of stuff in the base game, so pretty much everyone working on mods stopped around then and moved on to something else.

Warband was definitely not in early access when Viking Conquest came out, and by 2015 the game had been out for five years....

I don't think that is even an equivalency, let alone a fair equivalency. They're both games by the same developer, I guess.

a crappy kids game

modding because on some level they absolutely hate the base game

Why do you even direct your opinion my way? Or even "contribute" to these discussions then? Your aim is to derail development and take over in some aggrandized idea that you'll make something better than the developers. I hate to break it to you, but I never had interest in your Warband mods, and I am certainly more interested in Taleworlds finishing this game than what mod you're going make.

Especially if you're just going to whine about it. Miss me with that. Seriously -- have we actually had a conversation where you haven't just been ankle-biting at me? Let's agree to disagree, and most of all to not discuss this. Your whining does not compel me to the case you're failing to make. Sorry to be so blunt, but literally I can't think of a constructive exchange we've had between us, and I really think all your arguments amount to just whining. You and your friends can hate me for this. I'm fine with that.

With that for your motive in modding and in arguing on this forum, no wonder you haven't produced anything I find worth my time.

To the point, though, you obviously haven't given up. So you actually confirm what I said. Maybe prove me wrong and give up.

 

[Calabanar]

To go back to the topic at hand (although I truly appreciate the insight on how modders deal with EA), I doubt we will get any estimate as they either don't really know themselves or (and?) are afraid of the backlash of admitting they don't know, or for being wrong once more.

I do wish they would make a post going more in depth about what they plan to focus on (as in, proper detailed statements, not the "roadmap" we have right now).

Edit: All in all, I expect a general "Thank you for embarking on this journey with us" post/event, but not much more... I would loving being proven wrong though.

 

[Mad Vader]

With that for your motive in modding and in arguing on this forum, no wonder you haven't produced anything I find worth my time.

I loled at this point as I didn't think blowhardery of such magnitude was possible.

 

[Piconi]

@Berzerker Jay it is hard to miss that you have been in numerous quarells across many different threads, seeing that - for your part if i may suggest to reconsider the manner of expression for it to include some more respect for other persons.
That would be swell.

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Anyways, many reasons easily could have affected the development time to be prolonged, so i wouldn't worry too much as i think we would probably get some info on it closing in to EA anniversary.
As long as the game gets out of the EA in a near perfect condition, so we can get stable experience and finally some sweet mods, the actual timing of the release isn't as important IMO.

 

[Berzerker Jay]

@Berzerker Jay it is hard to miss that you have been in numerous quarells across many different threads, seeing that - for your part if i may suggest to reconsider the manner of expression for it to include some more respect for other persons.
That would be swell.

I appreciate the advice, but the quarrels are only with a couple individuals, Kentucky here being one of the major ones. I've asked him repeatedly to just leave me alone -- I can be respectful, but at a certain point when only disrespect and derision is being offered, offering respect in kind isn't reasonable.

Like I said, this has been going on a long time with him, and I'm not the one initiating engagement. I am trying to make clear to him that I don't see any reason for us to continue to engage, and that's about the best I can do for respect when none is being offered on the other side.

 

[eddiemccandless]

in prison (maybe)

I want to know more

I can definitely see modders losing interest and moving to other projects, and let's not forget that making games from scratch is much easier today than it was 10 years ago. If I was a talented modder with time on his hands and saw what is happening to Bannerlord I'd rather work on making a clone in Unity or something similar with just the basics (combat, field battles etc.), actually polish it and release it for ten bucks.

Imo Warband's strength can be seen by fighting in the arena. Maybe I am weird but I can easily spend about 30 minutes just fighting bots in the arena in Warband and just by itself is entertaining and soothing in a strange way (even better in PoP where it's more challenging). I can't say the same thing about Bannerlord. If the very fundamental basics of the game are not good, it doesn't really matter what you add to it, it's just going to be fluff.

 

[Ruthven]

I appreciate the advice, but the quarrels are only with a couple individuals, Kentucky here being one of the major ones. I've asked him repeatedly to just leave me alone -- I can be respectful, but at a certain point when only disrespect and derision is being offered, offering respect in kind isn't reasonable.

Like I said, this has been going on a long time with him, and I'm not the one initiating engagement. I am trying to make clear to him that I don't see any reason for us to continue to engage, and that's about the best I can do for respect when none is being offered on the other side.

What in his last post did he say that offended or was even directed at you? You asked an open question, he answered it, then you proceeded to insult and belittle his modding contributions... Whether you enjoyed his work or not, surely asking a question "What do modders think about X" and being answered by an actual modder... why are you mad about this

For my part the "mod optimism" that mods will fix the game and there will be tons of AAA quality total conversions, usually are more likely to come the less a person was invovled/surrounded by the mod community. If you look at the criticisms of both the SP and MP boards on this forum, we start to see there is some core dissatisfaction with BL that wasn't there in Warband. I'm sure there will be mods for BL, I'm sure there will be big overhauls, good work, sure... Is PoP 2 or similar coming for Bannerlord? In my opinion, BL as a base game is a lot less attractive as a foundation for large mods than Warband. I expect most "big" mods will just be Bannerlord reskinned as Middle Earth or Game of Thrones or whatever else. The barrier for entry is higher, and despite some nice modern coding language abilities, it seems like the modability is actually restricted in BL compared to WB. But if Bannerlord does not incite the passions in creators the way Warband did, it doesn't matter anyways.