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Outlawed
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In a group stage followed by a playoff in the most popular sport on the planet, 50% of the participants make it to the into the playoffs. So the top 4 teams should go forward.
HOWEVER, we have the 2nd best win/loss ratio after begayass, and we're somehow 6th xD mainly because we always seem to be defending a challenge as opposed to being able to challenge ourselves.
Anyway, I don't see why its a problem, Rhade.
If anything, you get to **** on everyone else one last time before you leave. You scurred that your precious record is going to be broken
HOWEVER, we have the 2nd best win/loss ratio after begayass, and we're somehow 6th xD mainly because we always seem to be defending a challenge as opposed to being able to challenge ourselves.
Anyway, I don't see why its a problem, Rhade.
If anything, you get to **** on everyone else one last time before you leave. You scurred that your precious record is going to be broken
Mok the International
Banned
Rhade not scurred. Dem bad's better show some respect.Outlawed 说:In a group stage followed by a playoff in the most popular sport on the planet, 50% of the participants make it to the into the playoffs. So the top 4 teams should go forward.
HOWEVER, we have the 2nd best win/loss ratio after begayass, and we're somehow 6th xD mainly because we always seem to be defending a challenge as opposed to being able to challenge ourselves.
Anyway, I don't see why its a problem, Rhade.
If anything, you get to **** on everyone else one last time before you leave. You scurred that your precious record is going to be broken
Outlawed 说:In a group stage followed by a playoff in the most popular sport on the planet, 50% of the participants make it to the into the playoffs. So the top 4 teams should go forward.
HOWEVER, we have the 2nd best win/loss ratio after begayass, and we're somehow 6th xD mainly because we always seem to be defending a challenge as opposed to being able to challenge ourselves.
Anyway, I don't see why its a problem, Rhade.
If anything, you get to **** on everyone else one last time before you leave. You scurred that your precious record is going to be broken
Not scared of ****. I HOPE that someone can actually beat us while Van and I sit at ~95 ping the whole game, but it hasn't happened yet. I'm frustrated because I don't think changing the rules mid-season is very fair, and honestly, most of the bad teams have terrible scheduling. Im ready for this ladder to wrap up, but it seems like the lower-tier teams are being coddled, which means this "tournament" is going to drag on for at least a month. I believe you should earn your place in a finals, that's why it's called a finals, as opposed to the preliminaries, where the unworthy teams are eliminated. It's like if the NFL all of a sudden decided, "K GUYS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE 30 TEAMS IN THE PLAYOFFS THIS YEAR" right as the regular season was ending.
Pretty dumb.
Mok the International
Banned
And, they're real GOOD.blak 说:
I expanded the playoffs to include nearly all teams because of the numerous scheduling difficulties and awkward circumstances of several teams this season. For instance, West Knights are in their first offensive challenge after being on defense for something like 4 straight matches. Because of the current rules they have had very little opportunity to advance. On the other hand, LAG has been stuck with some challenges for several weeks which were cancelled. They haven't had much opportunity either.
I didn't particularly want to do it this way, but I also don't want some frustrated teams to drop out & dissolve because they didn't have a fair shot at the final four. Next season will bring a few rule changes that I held off because they would have come very late in this season. They should give teams more opportunities for advancement.
This is the initial season of NASTe, and as such it is going to involve some trial & error. We've tried some rules, they didn't work, and we've tried some more. Right now we're in a fairly good spot, with just a couple little kinks to work out. At the start of next season we will have a thoroughly tested rule set that will most likely remain constant for the entire season. I won't be as lax, and the final four will be the final four.
I didn't particularly want to do it this way, but I also don't want some frustrated teams to drop out & dissolve because they didn't have a fair shot at the final four. Next season will bring a few rule changes that I held off because they would have come very late in this season. They should give teams more opportunities for advancement.
This is the initial season of NASTe, and as such it is going to involve some trial & error. We've tried some rules, they didn't work, and we've tried some more. Right now we're in a fairly good spot, with just a couple little kinks to work out. At the start of next season we will have a thoroughly tested rule set that will most likely remain constant for the entire season. I won't be as lax, and the final four will be the final four.
Orion 说:
It's fine, but calling it the "finals" is kind of cheap. Call it season 2 or season 1.5, because that's basically what it is. Saying that it's not fair because everyone was given the same chance and some handled it better than others is the same as saying it's not exactly "fair" that a team can reel off 10 back to back wins and it really doesn't matter because everyone is invited to the finals anyway.
On topic:
BkS vs BAD
Map 1 - Random Plains
BkS (Sarannid) - 5
BAD (Vaegirs) - 2
Map 2 - Nord Town
BkS (Nords) - 5
BAD (Rhodoks) - 4
dat tyrian
Rhade 说:
No, it's not the same. Not everyone had the same chance. You won the first match of the season and took first place, and then you just had to defend. Some teams had to play more than one match to make it into the top 4, and not all of them got the chance to try. Some teams have never challenged a top four team for the entire season, and of those I believe all have had delayed or unnecessarily lengthy challenges, usually with just one team at fault. For example, LAG challenged Ra and was locked in that challenge for 3 weeks. If that challenge had been completed on time, if LAG won they could have challenged a top 4 team. Ra never got their **** together for that challenge and it never happened. It was cancelled on Sunday, and LAG couldn't challenge anyone in the top 4. They never got a chance at it, and this last time wasn't their fault. They were stopped not by losses or defeat but by poor organization of another team. How is that fair?
Orion 说:
So you're telling me there were teams ABSOLUTELY incapable of scheduling an offensive match against anyone? There was absolutely nothing they could have done? I'd understand if the season was only a few weeks or a month long, but this thing has been going on for months, and if a team REALLY wanted to, I'm sure they could have launched offensive challenges if they were dedicated about it.
They aren't victims. We signed up like everyone else, we played like everyone else, how were we not victimized like everyone else?
I'd argue because
A) We didn't lose
B) We scheduled matches quickly
C) We played matches quickly
D) If we were on the bottom of the ladder, and we defended, I would immediately initiate an offensive challenge as soon as the timer was up. I *promise* people weren't sitting there waiting to spam other teams as soon as the other challenge was done.
You're right, some teams didn't get the chance to challenge.
Some teams also had absolutely ****ing ****ty attendance, terrible dedication, and they just didn't really ever bother to try to put some effort in and make their team move up the ladder. They just floated along and showed up occasionally to matches. Yet you want to coddle them.
Edit: Even with your perfect-storm scenario with LAG and Ra, that's 3 weeks out of an entire season. Hardly the "they never had a chance" scenario. Would it have been difficult? Yes. Impossible? No.
Orion 说:
You need to cool it with intentionally insulting the teams in the ladder you are running. It reflects poorly on you as an administrator for this tournament. Ra is hardly the only team to have trouble making matches on the times they've agreed to.
The Pizza 说:
Don't be sanctimonious with me, Pizza. I did not insult Ra, I merely stated a fact about Ra's organizational capabilities in their last challenge. I did not intend for any offense, nor did I dwell on their issue or ridicule them for it. I've talked with Beer about his team already, and he seemed confident that they will make an adequate showing for the playoffs. He knows the consequences if they do not, but those consequences don't include insults from me.
I'm also fully aware they are not the only team to have scheduling difficulties. Apparently you missed these key words in my last post:
Orion 说:
I won't "cool it" unless it needs to be cooled. So far I've said nothing I might later regret.
Rhade 说:
This is where you seem to have misunderstood me. You never had these issues in your experience with NASTe. All the teams you faced were organized and timely with scheduling. You have not faced all of the teams on the ladder, and not all of the teams on the ladder are organized very well. Some teams were held back by no fault of their own.
Also, as a ladder administrator you should be well-versed in the rules. You cannot always initiate a challenge immediately. This is part of the problem with the current rules, as there is only a 24-hour latency period after a challenge is concluded. The teams above you (3, to be precise) may all be involved in challenges or may include the team you recently fought. Let's take a for-instance: say we have team A, B, C, and D ranked 1, 2, 3, and 4 respectively. B is involved in a challenge with A, D challenges C and wins. C is now rank 4, and cannot re-challenge D. C cannot challenge A or B because they are involved in a challenge. This might sound like a "perfect storm" scenario to you, but it has happened a few times this season already. If challenges were open, LAG would currently be in that position. Their challenge with Ra was cancelled, and they cannot challenge wK and LES because these two teams are in a challenge already.
You can't always be on the offensive, and you cannot fully dictate how you play on the ladder. Challenges cannot be declined, so if you have to sit and wait on the teams ahead of you to finish you might get challenged again by somebody else. Your team never had to deal with this because you got first place right off the bat and haven't lost it. I'm not trying to devalue your position or your team, but it's easier to maintain on the ladder than it is to advance.
Confirmed.Rhade 说:
On the matter of the Finals, I don't see the big deal. Play until the season is finished or don't. If it's fealt some teams deserve a chance in them due to a result from the ruleset by the creator of the ladder, ruleset, and idea of the finals I don't see how you can argue that.
So overall just play or don't. Currently NASTe is ending right when it's supposed to.
To be honest, it's kind of dumb but it's just 8 instead of 4. Not exactly the end of the world. I'm looking forward to it the playoffs.
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