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How should the captain of one team know when a player on the other team has an abnormal ping? Because the rules as they are stated make both captains responsible for detecting abnormal ping for all the players, which necessitates them gathering statistics on all the players' pings etc etc. Sounds like a helluva job to me.Orion 说:
BigBoss 说:
Aside from this assumption, it never hurts to ask. If you see a player you don't recognize with a ping of 120, you can ask if that's normal. If they reply that it is, then there's no problem.
Of course if they reply that it isn't normal and we later find out that it is, they can (and will) be penalized.
Mr.X
KissMyAxe 说:
Also, lets say I was a team captain. I'm captain of Team X. And we're playing Team notX. If the captain of team notX tells me that one of his players is experiencing abnormally high ping, and I see a player ingame with anything about 90-100ish, I'll generally assume that the captain of team notX is telling the truth, and look for an admin. So if the opposing captain informs you of ping troubles, that should be enough. Also
Orion 说:
Updated LES with their roster changes. Also updated with challenges (every team on the ladder is currently involved in a challenge! woo!) and match times (all of which are currently undetermined. woo?).
It's nice to see wK getting their first match on the way, and LES back into the game.
One last thing, and I'd like to make this clear. There are 5 ladder administrators, and I chose them specifically because I believe they are all capable of passing honest, fair judgment on disputes. X & I made the decision on the BAD vs. BkS match that I hope Mad Dawg and Rhade would have made on a match between other teams. If my team is involved in any disputes, I leave the decision up to the people on that list, and I trust them to be just.
However, at least one of them might have to be changed. At the beginning of the season, none of us were on the same teams. Since then, Mr.X and Zero have both joined the LES team, heavily concentrating ladder admins into a single team. That means if this team is ever in a dispute, Mad Dawg and Rhade are the only admins available. If the dispute happened to be against BAD or BkS, only one more admin would be available for arbitration, and that isn't acceptable. I'll have to talk to Zero and X, and find another willing replacement. Lust not allowed.
It's nice to see wK getting their first match on the way, and LES back into the game.
One last thing, and I'd like to make this clear. There are 5 ladder administrators, and I chose them specifically because I believe they are all capable of passing honest, fair judgment on disputes. X & I made the decision on the BAD vs. BkS match that I hope Mad Dawg and Rhade would have made on a match between other teams. If my team is involved in any disputes, I leave the decision up to the people on that list, and I trust them to be just.
However, at least one of them might have to be changed. At the beginning of the season, none of us were on the same teams. Since then, Mr.X and Zero have both joined the LES team, heavily concentrating ladder admins into a single team. That means if this team is ever in a dispute, Mad Dawg and Rhade are the only admins available. If the dispute happened to be against BAD or BkS, only one more admin would be available for arbitration, and that isn't acceptable. I'll have to talk to Zero and X, and find another willing replacement. Lust not allowed.
MacKain
Knight
I really think, if one person on the team has high ping, abnormal or not it should not justify a total reschedule of the match.
If two teams arrange a match, people on both teams will make an effort to turn up. (in most cases) somtimes life interferes people forget and they dont turn up with numbers, but thats another discussion that i wont delve into.
My point here is that if 12 people turn up, and 1 person has bad ping, it would f**k me right of to cancel a match because of one guys high ping, Abnormal or not. It would enrage me even more, if I had dropped previous made arrangments (like a date with rhades sister!) to play this match.
Now if its more than just the 1 player then maybe, with some discussion other arrangements sure, but you cant just stop a match for one person.
If two teams arrange a match, people on both teams will make an effort to turn up. (in most cases) somtimes life interferes people forget and they dont turn up with numbers, but thats another discussion that i wont delve into.
My point here is that if 12 people turn up, and 1 person has bad ping, it would f**k me right of to cancel a match because of one guys high ping, Abnormal or not. It would enrage me even more, if I had dropped previous made arrangments (like a date with rhades sister!) to play this match.
Now if its more than just the 1 player then maybe, with some discussion other arrangements sure, but you cant just stop a match for one person.
Ron Burgundy
What people seem to be missing here is that Rhade's and Vanidar's ping did not go high above 100 until the second map, or at least did not stay above 110 for a distinguishable period of time (could have spiked for a second or so). I don't entirely remember what round their ping skyrocketed to 150, but it wasn't immediately at the beginning of the second map, and it wasn't at all in the first.
150 ping is indeed crippling when you are used to 50 or less. Depending on how early in the map that occurred I would say Balion could redo the map, but redoing the entire match is unnecessary. If ping was such a huge issue at the time why not sub in Search? If I remember correctly he was in spec the whole game, unless he left without me noticing.
I realize he may be rusty, at least I haven't seen him play in a while, but I don't think he would be on the roster if anyone thought that would be an issue. If Rhade or Van had left, it may have freed up the others connection; seeing as they live in the same apartment (whatever it is) and probably use the same connection. This may not have helped, but it seems logical, and no one tried it.
Forgetting that match I think there should be a rule to allow a substitution during a map if a member has ping problems. If it is worthy of cancelling an entire match over, it is certainly worthy of being remedied. It should be pretty simple to see if someone has an abnormal ping. Lets face it, it is a small community. There simply needs to be an agreements on what is problematic. I think the captains of each team should discuss with the admins until an agreement is made on how much ping difference there can be, and if there are exceptions. Most people here have played quite a bit, so it shouldn't be hard to come to an understanding (hopefully).
150 ping is indeed crippling when you are used to 50 or less. Depending on how early in the map that occurred I would say Balion could redo the map, but redoing the entire match is unnecessary. If ping was such a huge issue at the time why not sub in Search? If I remember correctly he was in spec the whole game, unless he left without me noticing.
I realize he may be rusty, at least I haven't seen him play in a while, but I don't think he would be on the roster if anyone thought that would be an issue. If Rhade or Van had left, it may have freed up the others connection; seeing as they live in the same apartment (whatever it is) and probably use the same connection. This may not have helped, but it seems logical, and no one tried it.
Forgetting that match I think there should be a rule to allow a substitution during a map if a member has ping problems. If it is worthy of cancelling an entire match over, it is certainly worthy of being remedied. It should be pretty simple to see if someone has an abnormal ping. Lets face it, it is a small community. There simply needs to be an agreements on what is problematic. I think the captains of each team should discuss with the admins until an agreement is made on how much ping difference there can be, and if there are exceptions. Most people here have played quite a bit, so it shouldn't be hard to come to an understanding (hopefully).
POM_Zero
Master Knight
Ah see now that with that in english I actually understood it.Mad Dawg 说:He's referring to 2 teams of 6 (2*6=12) and his main point with that is taking the time to prioritize the match and show up being circumvented due to 1 players ping which is out of most people's control. I can translate Irish.Z3ro 说:
Er, I'd certainly be happy to if you need one more.
One flaw I have is that I'm not so into Wall O' Text arguing, so if someone wanted me to be aware of a point they have, they'd have to make a short and to the point kinda post. My mind sorta wanders by the third or fourth paragraph.
Glorious.
One flaw I have is that I'm not so into Wall O' Text arguing, so if someone wanted me to be aware of a point they have, they'd have to make a short and to the point kinda post. My mind sorta wanders by the third or fourth paragraph.
Master Unicorn 说:
Glorious.
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