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findecanno
Grandmaster Knight
3 People Noms, we have 3.MrNomNom 说:
Outlawed
Sergeant Knight
MrNomNom 说:
First of all. Calm yourself lol.
Secondly. According to the rules, if we are unable to present you with enough people within 20 minutes of the initial scheduled time we "may reschedule with their opponent in the first instance of this occurrence"
You're not going to force a win Noms. This is the first time we have a scheduled time and we don't have enough show up. Which means we can reschedule. What's in question now is when your European contingent can play their matches. You know how the NA system works, usually, 7-8 + EST is what everyone does on Weekends. We don't know how your Euros times fit, so if you could provide a range of times, that would be great.
Outlawed
Sergeant Knight
ryizzel 说:
Well, the rule specifies that the 'occurrence' is us not having enough people at the scheduled time.
This never happened before. Any scheduling that happened before the final time seems irrelevant, as by the rule.
The rescheduling occurred before that Thursday, so it's not like we rescheduled after the initial Thursday time.
Mr.X
I'm cancelling the LAG vs. Ra challenge. Both teams must play another team before they can play each other again. If Ra shows up to another match without sufficient numbers then they will lose their rank.
Reasoning:
1. First off, the match was not scheduled properly. If you want to schedule a match, do it in PMs and have at least 1 admin present in the message
2. There isn't enough here for LAG to earn an autowin. Technically I'm going to say that this is only the first infringment on the numbers rule for Ra (within this match). The match was originally set for Thursday, but Ra PM'd LAG saying that thursday wouldn't work and that they would be able to do the other proposed time (which was today). Now we have come to the time of the match and Ra does not have sufficient numbers.
3. Clearly the scheduling between these two teams is not working, so I'd rather not have them attempt at rescheduling. We also want to avoid autowins as much as possible as they mess up the numbers on the leaderboard.
My suggestion for the rest of the tournament is that no match should be counted unless it was properly scheduled.
*This is all my opinion and was my decision as an admin. Zero has agreed on the cancelling of the challenge.
Reasoning:
1. First off, the match was not scheduled properly. If you want to schedule a match, do it in PMs and have at least 1 admin present in the message
2. There isn't enough here for LAG to earn an autowin. Technically I'm going to say that this is only the first infringment on the numbers rule for Ra (within this match). The match was originally set for Thursday, but Ra PM'd LAG saying that thursday wouldn't work and that they would be able to do the other proposed time (which was today). Now we have come to the time of the match and Ra does not have sufficient numbers.
3. Clearly the scheduling between these two teams is not working, so I'd rather not have them attempt at rescheduling. We also want to avoid autowins as much as possible as they mess up the numbers on the leaderboard.
My suggestion for the rest of the tournament is that no match should be counted unless it was properly scheduled.
*This is all my opinion and was my decision as an admin. Zero has agreed on the cancelling of the challenge.
POM_Zero
Master Knight
Alright here's the deal Nom proposed two times he team could fight on, you first accepted Thursday then rescheduled it to Saturday. That's your first reschedule there. Now you confirmed your match time Saturday 4pm EST on October 12,2011 10:18:54 PM. That's was over 48 hours ago you had enough time to find out if you would be able to make the match or not imo. So I suggest you learn to consult your team before confirming a match, and if you see you cant make it post even if its 30 min before the match. This matter has been handled by Ladder admin (not me).Outlawed 说:
From now on all teams should handle scheduling via pm's with a ladder admin involved, to avoid anymore problems and a admin should be present in match's in case a problem arises .
*All my opinions.
findecanno
Grandmaster Knight
We miss her dearly...Outlawed 说:
Mr.X 说:
Don't really understand the difference between posting it on the thread, and PMing with an admin watching. Orion saw the posts on the thread and responded to them.
And since we are on about PMs and what not, no Ra didn't PM us.
Clearly Ra's scheduling was not working. If you are not going to have enough, don't confirm.
Firstly this is ridiculous, a competitive team can't raise six players at a pre-arranged date. 
The time was scheduled for Thursday. You presumably did not have enough players at the scheduled time, thus you arranged for another date to be played; the time was scheduled, regardless of whether it was then re-scheduled or not.
If it is ruled that the challenge is cancelled, would that not create a precedent whereby any team may just not turn up to matches from challengers and not face any consequences? This would seem to defeat the purpose of a ladder to me.
This doesn't seem valid to me. Firstly, NomNom asked in his first challenge post whether he was doing it right, surely an admin should have corrected his ways if they were incorrect? Secondly, there were presumably admins aware of the challenge since they responded to it.
I'd refer to my above post; Ra were not able to be present in sufficient numbers at two scheduled dates. Regardless of whether the match was re-scheduled in one of them, they were still not able to attend.
In my opinion, a team which can't raise six players at a pre-arranged date has no business being in a competitive ladder, equally considering that our team was well-prepared at both dates and such, I would suggest that the situation warrants a default win for LAG.
Outlawed 说:
The time was scheduled for Thursday. You presumably did not have enough players at the scheduled time, thus you arranged for another date to be played; the time was scheduled, regardless of whether it was then re-scheduled or not.
If it is ruled that the challenge is cancelled, would that not create a precedent whereby any team may just not turn up to matches from challengers and not face any consequences? This would seem to defeat the purpose of a ladder to me.
Mr.X 说:
This doesn't seem valid to me. Firstly, NomNom asked in his first challenge post whether he was doing it right, surely an admin should have corrected his ways if they were incorrect? Secondly, there were presumably admins aware of the challenge since they responded to it.
Mr.X 说:
I'd refer to my above post; Ra were not able to be present in sufficient numbers at two scheduled dates. Regardless of whether the match was re-scheduled in one of them, they were still not able to attend.
Mr.X 说:
In my opinion, a team which can't raise six players at a pre-arranged date has no business being in a competitive ladder, equally considering that our team was well-prepared at both dates and such, I would suggest that the situation warrants a default win for LAG.
POM_Zero
Master Knight
The only reason the Auto Win was not awarded was because this is the first time RA has not showed up to a confirmed time Alex. Yes they rescheduled a confirmed time (Thursday) but they did it before hand, not at the time of the match. I agree with you it is ridiculous, a competitive team can't raise six players at a pre-arranged date. Now if this becomes a habit and Ra does this over more times then yes I would agree with you in a removal from the ladder. This was only the first time so let this be their warning. I would handle situation like this just like a troll/tker or w.e. in a server Warn -> Kick(or in the ladder they become unranked) -> Ban (removal from ladder). Then again this is only my opinion other Ladder admins can handle certain situations differently.
Outlawed
Sergeant Knight
Lol. I love detest the European high-horse, YET AGAIN.
But firstly, I'll address Zero; keep your opinions to yourself. We'll address our scheduling problems. Google 'define: we'. Thanks.
Ra is one of the most active clans in this community mr.Euro. Don't go about trying to shoot us out of this when the matter at hand is both a lesson to the whole participating pool and an issue at hand is a simple, solvable one.
The match on Thursday was cancelled. Its not like we agreed to Thursday, didn't show up on that time, and the rescheduled. We cancelled well before the match time (more than 2 days before). So both teams knew that Thursday, even though it was confirmed initially was canceled for that day. So I don't want to hear the nonsense of that counting as a reschedule on the spot, like stated in the rules. (Where a team doesn't have sufficient players). Consider, for a moment, that we didn't want to play because our best players weren't on? Consider for a moment, that we didn't choose Thursday because our callouts leader wasn't on? But of course, you are SO win hungry at this stage that you don't hied to these calls.
Also, if you had a problem with the rules, NOW, is not the time to be talking about them. There was plenty of time before things got on the way and you could have commented on them, but the fact is your were too lazy to do so until it concerned you. Its the pinnacle of hypocrisy really.
That being said, we accept the cancellation and are open for challenges.
EDIT: Due to Beer's incompetence, please issue all challenges to me from now on. We may have a captain change at a later time.
But firstly, I'll address Zero; keep your opinions to yourself. We'll address our scheduling problems. Google 'define: we'. Thanks.
Ra is one of the most active clans in this community mr.Euro. Don't go about trying to shoot us out of this when the matter at hand is both a lesson to the whole participating pool and an issue at hand is a simple, solvable one.
The match on Thursday was cancelled. Its not like we agreed to Thursday, didn't show up on that time, and the rescheduled. We cancelled well before the match time (more than 2 days before). So both teams knew that Thursday, even though it was confirmed initially was canceled for that day. So I don't want to hear the nonsense of that counting as a reschedule on the spot, like stated in the rules. (Where a team doesn't have sufficient players). Consider, for a moment, that we didn't want to play because our best players weren't on? Consider for a moment, that we didn't choose Thursday because our callouts leader wasn't on? But of course, you are SO win hungry at this stage that you don't hied to these calls.
Also, if you had a problem with the rules, NOW, is not the time to be talking about them. There was plenty of time before things got on the way and you could have commented on them, but the fact is your were too lazy to do so until it concerned you. Its the pinnacle of hypocrisy really.
That being said, we accept the cancellation and are open for challenges.
EDIT: Due to Beer's incompetence, please issue all challenges to me from now on. We may have a captain change at a later time.
findecanno
Grandmaster Knight
My apologizes for the bad scheduling and lack of members. 4:00PM is not a good time for Ra it seems. Most of the time, we have plenty of members, but those two times just didn't work for us. Sorry, but auto wins are gay and we will redo at a later date.
Outlawed 说:
I have no possible conception of what you're talking about, however since I assume it bears no relevance to a potential ruling, I'll ignore it.
Outlawed 说:
Deciding not to play a match because you don't have the particular players you want on is acceptable? I don't know what you mean by 'callouts leader', but regardless, I imagine the same principle applies. You have not had the quantity (or quality) of players available to participate on two separate occasions. The fact that on one of those occasions the match was re-scheduled does not affect this.
Outlawed 说:
I don't have a problem with the rules, the rules clearly place you in the wrong.
I also fail to see how this situation (or the hypothetical situation you raised) demonstrates any level of hypocrisy.
Outlawed 说:
Nobody said anything about countries sala. Why don't you take your own advice and calm down. The challenge was cancelled and you've been advised by two admins to get your collective **** together. I think your time would be better spent addressing your team and asking them which times are convenient for them, rather than telling off members of my team. Kthxbai.
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