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Rocknok2
Squire
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Hekko 说:
If the Guard infantry (Artillery guards instead of the class) are allowed to skirmish around a cannon.)
If they are not Artillrey guards they are only allowed to crouch if they are not engaged in combat. However they should not have 1-2 man gaps. Half a man spacing only.
Hekko 说:
My regiment have made the mistake of going into skirmish order (ONCE) before we were about to charge, however we were caught by surprise of a few lines, Formed back up into a single line before we fired.
However, It was wrong of us to go into skirmish order in the first place, and we sincerely apologize for our mistake.
Hekko 说:
Yes, they are allowed to skirmish around the cannon, so long they are within about at 15 paces radius around the cannon.
Hekko 说:
It is allowed for the following reasons
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- Officers & NCOs are allowed to leave, and stand out of formation, they can move away from the line whenever they wish (To avoid being killed, or other reasons)
- We believe that allowing officer sniping is a legitimate strategy; because it disrupts, and disorganize the enemy (Even though it's dishonorable)
- It is an extremely hard rule to enforce. A rule should only exist if we are able to enforce it. The only way to enforce a rule like this, Is by slaying the 'murderer'.
We don't believe that the penalty is worth killing an officer, since it's also extremely difficult to detect when it's intentional or not.
reredrumuoy
Sergeant
Due to the poor administration of the last two linebattles and unfair treatments of regiments that attend the linebattles, the 15e will no longer be attending.
Hekko
Master Knight
Alright, so to specify what we mean by poor administration:
The rules are made up on the go. The rules apply differently to different people. The rules change dynamically depending on whom they are being applied too.
People are told to close the gaps in their line, while the line of the regiment of the admin issuing the instruction are employing deliberate mansized gaps, and not closing gaps left by casulties.
Alot of people from all regiments were firing out of formation at times, yet still only two of the regiments were told-off and punished for it.
The rule about people being able to fire out of formation if they were "THE last one alive" was made up on the go (no reference to this in the actual rules). However, only a couple of rounds later it was changed into that if there is no formation left they are allowed to fire out formation... which would not only imply that if everyone on a team breaks formation they are free to skirmish as much as they want but also is a long step away from "THE last one alive".
The following line certainly didn't hold true:
"We will have a professional set of admins to ensure that no regiments breach the rules, and that all players enjoy their time, without being harassed by pesky admins."
I am apalled about the way this event is admined and suffice to say, we will NOT be attending these linebattles again.
The rules are made up on the go. The rules apply differently to different people. The rules change dynamically depending on whom they are being applied too.
People are told to close the gaps in their line, while the line of the regiment of the admin issuing the instruction are employing deliberate mansized gaps, and not closing gaps left by casulties.
Alot of people from all regiments were firing out of formation at times, yet still only two of the regiments were told-off and punished for it.
The rule about people being able to fire out of formation if they were "THE last one alive" was made up on the go (no reference to this in the actual rules). However, only a couple of rounds later it was changed into that if there is no formation left they are allowed to fire out formation... which would not only imply that if everyone on a team breaks formation they are free to skirmish as much as they want but also is a long step away from "THE last one alive".
The following line certainly didn't hold true:
"We will have a professional set of admins to ensure that no regiments breach the rules, and that all players enjoy their time, without being harassed by pesky admins."
I am apalled about the way this event is admined and suffice to say, we will NOT be attending these linebattles again.
Rocknok2
Squire
Hekko 说:
I've told you in the linebattle, and I'll mention it again. If there is no formation, The Firing out of line rule CANNOT exist in that circumstance, because there IS NO LINE.
It is not that hard to understand at all.
3-If you are the last person alive (Or a small group) You must hold ground, or charge.
4- If you have less than 3 people left in your regiment, you must join a friendly line.
It is the job of the admins, to clarify, and decide on grey areas.
I'm sorry that these extra rules were not written up, That is exactly what we are going to do.
Not to mention, ever since the beginning of the linebattle, Your regiment was constantly being reminded of the rules.
And it was in your regiment that there were numerous people who fired out of formation.
Hekko 说:
I cannot speak for Hugonaut's Regiment, so I'll let him answer this.
Hekko 说:
The administration team can only act on what we see. We addressed, and punished offenders based on what we have witnessed.
It's hard to act on what we have not witnessed. We have warned everyone when we did not witness the mass firing out of line from BOTH sides.
Hekko 说:
I'm sorry Hekko, But that's plain not true. I tried to explain to you that if there was no formation, and no line, the rule cannot possibly apply.
You kept on arguing that this wasn't mentioned in the rules.
The best way I could explain it to you, was to put it in a few words as possible "If it's the last one alive, It's fine"
For some reason, you forgot the explanation to why that was. My intention was to explain it after the linebattle, Right here on the thread, And that's what I'm doing right now.
Hekko 说:
Goodbye then.
I'm sorry this was how it turned out.
Hekko
Master Knight
Rocknok2 说:
Well, the most obvious interpretation is no line = no fire, as the rules state. And the below quotes make no mention of suspending the rules in those cases.
Rocknok2 说:
Rocknok2 说:
Of course, and that is fine, except in these cases 1) you were breaking the strict interpretation of the written rules 2) you changed the deffinition once again in the middle of the event.
Rocknok2 说:
Admittably we were misinformed about the rules, but we changed to comply with them asap, and, half of the reminders were done when we were already in compliance with the rules, hell, Hugonaut even whished us to employ double lines when we had 8 and 4 people left because we had more than 15 when we started out. (The 29th infact changed to a single rank themselves after dropping under the specified number).
Rocknok2 说:
Admittably we had a few incidents were we fired out of formation. As did everyone else, neverthless, only the 15e and 3tes were called out&punushed for it(even when the 1tesPmrs officers had appologized for their members doing it in the chat)
Rocknok2 说:
Adimittably, it's hard to see everything, but with a fairly extensive ruleset, comes certain admin obligations, furthermore, not noticing someone appologizing for it in chat is a bit odd.
Rocknok2 说:
The bolded part still puzzles me, because the strict interpretation of the rules would say that no possible formation, no firing at all. Accordingly the rule was made up on the spot, the fact that you capitalized the "THE" made me, and everyone else in the 15e present interpret the newly enacted rule as the last one alive is allowed to shoot. (Which the interpretation of it is)
Anyhow, I have spoken to a representetative of yours, and I hope that the stuff that I suggested is taken to heart, because I can see this being a very enjoyable event to go to as long as the hiccups retaining to admining are ironed out. And as such, I shan't argue this any further and risk antagonizing people any more.
Good luck with the event!
Frederickson
Grandmaster Knight
Regiment name: 1er Grenadiers 2e Company
Events that you'll be attending: Sunday
Role: Line
Steam profile URL: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/TheOldGuardGrenadiers
How many active members do you have? 10+
Do you accept all the rules stated above? Yes.
Note: Sergent Richard will be leading the men majority of the time.
Events that you'll be attending: Sunday
Role: Line
Steam profile URL: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/TheOldGuardGrenadiers
How many active members do you have? 10+
Do you accept all the rules stated above? Yes.
Note: Sergent Richard will be leading the men majority of the time.
nicknick12
Squire
The 3tes is pro as Skimiher but not as FranceRocknok2 说:
nicknick12
Squire
Love you Hekko I will miss you
Hugonaut
Veteran
Hekko 说:
Hello Hekko, I don't believe that we have met. So due to the fact that I do not know your nature I will address only the facts with facts. The fist thing i would like to state is the dressing of the gaps. I indeed did tell you line to dress the gaps while we were in a fire fight with mine. But here is the flaw in your statement. In the 29th actions of the line is very systematic. For example (this is the actual priority list) Directly after we take a volley we dress gaps. However our priority above dressing is reloading. Above reloading is moving out. So in that sense There in fact is a short delay in the action of dressing. However, Your line did not dress the gaps at all. what so ever. You Literally had a 7 man space between each man in your line! I simply asked to dress your gaps and you got very fussy and whiny with me and the other admins.
When we began the linebattle your regiment fielded roughly 20-25 people (if i am incorrect doesn't really matter). And as you can see clearly in the rules you must be in double rank if the number exceeds 15. Your regiment was in single line the majority of the 1st map. When the admins told you to "Fix" the problem you denied the fact that you even had 15 members alive. After a short head count never the less you had 16. We told you that you were over the limit for single line and proceed anyways! blatant disregard of the admins.
After we realized your regiment/you had no respect for the admins or other regiments fun, the admins decided that you were the prime focus of the rule enforcement. So in affect all eyes were on you. So at that point in time every nit and cranny were under scrutiny because of 3 reasons.
1) You proved yourself unable to control your men from simply breaking written out rules.
2) You showed the admins no respect.
3) I actually went spectator to watch you.
Blame it on what you wish Hekko. But know this. This is indeed a professionally administrated LB despite what you "think". You broke the rules and you were called out on it. if your mad about it, LB events are not the place for you. Nor is real life...There are laws in real life and yeah sure, you can hate the police but you still did the crime.
PS i mean this only in a professional and factual manner. I dont dislike you at all as a person. or really even know you.
Also my writing skills are below par so forgive me if a came off as aggressive. I do not mean to be.
Regards
-Hugonaut
RMGadelha
Recruit
Thanks for accepting us. I'm Sergent Richard mentioned in the Note, but for some reason I created my profile with this username xD See you sunday!
P.S: Some of the times we are not able to get 10, but we always like to participate even with a small number as line. I was wondering if that is a problem? Our last linebattle was apparently cancelled (and we used to be accepted there as line even with a small number) and we really like this one set up here by you guys
P.S: Some of the times we are not able to get 10, but we always like to participate even with a small number as line. I was wondering if that is a problem? Our last linebattle was apparently cancelled (and we used to be accepted there as line even with a small number) and we really like this one set up here by you guys
Rocknok2
Squire
RMGadelha 说:Thanks for accepting us. I'm Sergent Richard mentioned in the Note, but for some reason I created my profile with this username xD See you sunday!
P.S: Some of the times we are not able to get 10, but we always like to participate even with a small number as line. I was wondering if that is a problem? Our last linebattle was apparently cancelled (and we used to be accepted there as line even with a small number) and we really like this one set up here by you guys
Oh, sure thing! The minimum number is 6 people. So you should be fine.
I've already sent most of your COs invitations to our steam group. (I didn't add everyone to friends to due an almost-full friend list.)
Anyways, here's my steam ID; Feel free to send me a request. http://steamcommunity.com/id/rocknok2
Rocknok2
Squire
Hello everyone.
I'd like to remind all attendees, that you MUST post a role assignment application at least 4 hours before the event starts.
If you want to play as a unit that is not your original unit (Or to add a detachment)
(Please see the Currently attending Regiments section) It is very important that you inform us (Via application)
I'd like to remind all attendees, that you MUST post a role assignment application at least 4 hours before the event starts.
If you want to play as a unit that is not your original unit (Or to add a detachment)
(Please see the Currently attending Regiments section) It is very important that you inform us (Via application)
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Regiment Name:
[b]Date you're applying for:[/b]
[b]Detachment role: [/b]
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