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(Sturgia was a bad choice anyway :p )
(Sturgia was a bad choice anyway :p )
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My thoughts on the Faction Snowball effect. Campaigns should go on forever!
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Sidhwen_Khorest
Sergeant
looks like, from the dev comment, they patched a couple things. they are looking into broke lords having no money, which I think is probably the biggest reason factions snowball, so hopefully the world will be more stable after a (hopeful) patch today.
I think this is a problem with broke lords as well, lords should have no problem dealing with looters and bandits, but since they all go broke they can no longer keep up with the bandits.
I think their is also an issue with them not recognizing wounded troops or something, I routinely see lords with 0+32w running around the map like they're immortal.
Simple: in Warband, it takes a long time for a faction's field army to be reduced to the point that a siege is possible. Whenever an enemy attempts a siege the Marshal scrambles an army to respond. usually the attacking side retreats unless they have a clear advantage, preserving their forces to fight on another day. Numbers win out in the end but thanks to an army's ability to retreat, massive stackwipes were rare.
In this game, auto resolve is way too aggressive at creating casualties, resulting in massive stackwipes very early in a campaign that leave the defeated faction impossibly behind. On the very first DAY of my current campaign there were 2 stackwipes and the Khuzaits started blobbing almost immediately.
Three steps I'd take to fix the problem
1: The spotting range of armies is absolutely tiny and N E E D S to be larger, giving the disadvantaged side more space and time to retreat and preserve their forces
2: Auto resolve needs to be slower and more expensive, like it was in Warband. The winning side should lost a lot of troops in a battle so they can't just snowball. In Warband, balance was preserved because offensive battles could wind up as Pyrrhic victories, with the victor's army severely reduced and vulnerable to counterattacks.
3: It should be way, way, W A Y harder to successfully siege down a castle or city. Making auto resolve more expensive would help a lot. Adding modifiers to make it even more expensive to auto resolve a siege would go a long way toward stabilizing the map.
The steamrolling could be countered with some sort of spy game, which is not a feature and I don't expect it, where we could convince a group of lords to start a rebellion inside a faction, if they have low relation value with the leader and we succeed in convincing them. Of course, this should happen also to the player faction if he's the king and has bad relation with a group of vassals.
It'd be nice if TW took the heavy handed apporsch of not permitting the ai to take towns, until they manage to implement civil wars and other expansion limiting factors.
Viranto
Regular
Yes have stopped the game now after 36 hours. Have played two times, one time vlandia take everything, second time northern empire take everything with my help as vasall. I wait for an update where kingdoms have problems with rebellions and can break in smaller kingdoms.
Or we need something like cores like in paradox games, or aggressiv expansion, with coalitions or simply, we need alliance between kingdoms.
Or we need something like cores like in paradox games, or aggressiv expansion, with coalitions or simply, we need alliance between kingdoms.
I am a big fan(boi) of Warband and these Devs, but I was afraid they would rush it and apparently I was right.
I was surprised with an EA release (not at that price for sure), but what surprises me the most is that we are not talking about little bugs, like a line of text missing, the "generic story" thing,little balancing to economy, diplomacy etc, bits and bobs that mean not much in gameplay and will be fixed in time....here we are talking about main mechanics of the game being totally off.
These are not client-side issues and are the core of the game, have they played a SP campaign themselves or have they just concentrated on bloody MP???
In theory we are paying testers, fine, this and more to support a team you have faith in and respect in, but we (a vast mass of players/testers) should only discover the little glitches, the holes in the floors, the occasional X-Ray that happens under certain circumstances, stuff that is really hard to detect unless a lot of people play the game. Instead more and more people is posting about major flaws in the core mechanics, this makes me think...
Does anybody with developing experience have an idea why it happened? I am only a gamer, so my own answer is the usual :
INVESTOR: "you slave developer, we need money NOW!"....SLAVE DEVELOPER: "but sir, we haven't tested the game fully yet...we can't.." INVESTOR:"we haven't done what to what?? Who cares? push it out NOW, we need the cash!".
Once again, I have the biggest respect for Taleworks because they surely earned it, I am just puzzled by what is happening....
I was surprised with an EA release (not at that price for sure), but what surprises me the most is that we are not talking about little bugs, like a line of text missing, the "generic story" thing,little balancing to economy, diplomacy etc, bits and bobs that mean not much in gameplay and will be fixed in time....here we are talking about main mechanics of the game being totally off.
These are not client-side issues and are the core of the game, have they played a SP campaign themselves or have they just concentrated on bloody MP???
In theory we are paying testers, fine, this and more to support a team you have faith in and respect in, but we (a vast mass of players/testers) should only discover the little glitches, the holes in the floors, the occasional X-Ray that happens under certain circumstances, stuff that is really hard to detect unless a lot of people play the game. Instead more and more people is posting about major flaws in the core mechanics, this makes me think...
Does anybody with developing experience have an idea why it happened? I am only a gamer, so my own answer is the usual :
INVESTOR: "you slave developer, we need money NOW!"....SLAVE DEVELOPER: "but sir, we haven't tested the game fully yet...we can't.." INVESTOR:"we haven't done what to what?? Who cares? push it out NOW, we need the cash!".
Once again, I have the biggest respect for Taleworks because they surely earned it, I am just puzzled by what is happening....
Lol i kinda got the oposite issue, i beat a lord or army then 1-3 days later the lord is back with 40-90 men when im still regenerating my injured XD
Same thing happened for me 10 hours or so, the Northern Empire owns everything. Clearly this is game breaking, even more so than other stuff, as the entire end-game is ruined, i managed to complete 1 single siege and then it was all over. Everything i did was leading up to manage my kingdom, sadly never had the chance.
Is there any way you can actually come back from this? (tried convincing lords joining, but my success rate with that is bad, and all they do is drag me to war instantly).
Is there any way you can actually come back from this? (tried convincing lords joining, but my success rate with that is bad, and all they do is drag me to war instantly).
"Level skills" LOL, good luck, you will be playing 50 hours per point per companion.
There are way too many looter parties.
I feel so lucky that in my playthrough 1 Empire faction and Battania controls pretty much 50% of the map each and are fighting an epic war which seems to go back and forth!
