My *opinion* on the MP units tier list (skirmish) e1.2.0

[Caps]

Have you played in a ball of spear infantry?

They get outclasses by every other class, i would rather have the same amount of legionaries yet they are ranked worse. A sharpshooter can oneshot spear infantry (high armor one). Sharpshooters are better in melee aswell.
Their swords do barely any dmg to any of the higher tier infantry like sturgia or vlandia. The maces have such a low range that they can easily get outranged. The enemy isnt forced to go mace vs them, paired with the spear infantries low infantry just makes it easy to outrange them.

 

[Mabons]

They get outclasses by every other class, i would rather have the same amount of legionaries yet they are ranked worse. A sharpshooter can oneshot spear infantry (high armor one). Sharpshooters are better in melee aswell.
Their swords do barely any dmg to any of the higher tier infantry like sturgia or vlandia. The maces have such a low range that they can easily get outranged. The enemy isnt forced to go mace vs them, paired with the spear infantries low infantry just makes it easy to outrange them.

But.. 3 spawns tho

 

[Caps]

But.. 3 spawns tho

you need more than 300g for that if you get stomped in the first round..

 

[Athenon_FireBlood]

.Brandis
I Agree with most of it.
The only thing is that I really do think the aserai archer derserve 4points since the veteran play both role of melee/range and so people use it only as the walking unit in a team. So most of the time people use them as their only choice outside of cavalry. You'll see team of like 4veteran and 2 mameluke quite often. It also make your team a spamable bow faction for engaging wich give you advantages over the other factions in terms of ranged unit.
The other thing is that khuzait infantry are weaker at the moment and I would maybe give them 2.5 points. I know they can be better by looting corpses and that's why I wouldn't give them the 2points.

 

[pygc1]

i disagree with most of this list,
I think the strongest ranged class is fiann and palestinian guard because they have incredible 2h weapons that can one shot peasant units, and they got very good bows as well
There is nothing special about veteran except the tiny shield, and the 1h sabre is slow as hell
Heavy infantry I think oathsworn is very good with the bastard sword that is good for 1h and 2h, and sergeant's mace is very good as well
I think knight is still the strongest heavy cav, it has higher armor value, more manuverable horse and the bastard axe can cut through enemies

 

[Athenon_FireBlood]

The fiann is a ****ty unit that most people overrate. It is really bad in most context.
He is a long range archer that feel useless on 2 maps and his two hand won't help him in the other one where cavalry is just gonna focus and couch him.
His Bow is sooooo slow that it doesn't matter how much damage he deal.
He has a 2 hand sword... that doesn't deal with any top tier unit. How are you gonna deal with cavalry or archer since they'll just shoot you each time you try charging your bow. Even the average infantry has a shield and a one hand weapon faster than you.

The fiann just doesn't have the right gear to perform.

 

[Brandis.]

Adjusted Khuzait infantry from 3 to 2 points, which makes them a regular B tier faction in my ratings:

Tier A: Vlandia 11pts (3/4/4)
Tier B: Aserai 9pts (2/3/4), Sturgia 9pts (3/2/4), Khuzait 9pts (2/3/4)
Tier C: Empire 8pts (2/3/3)
Tier D: Battania 7pts (3/2/2)

 

[pygc1]

Adjusted Khuzait infantry from 3 to 2 points, which makes them a regular B tier faction in my ratings:

Tier A: Vlandia 11pts (3/4/4)
Tier B: Aserai 9pts (2/3/4), Sturgia 9pts (3/2/4), Khuzait 9pts (2/3/4)
Tier C: Empire 8pts (2/3/3)
Tier D: Battania 7pts (3/2/2)

Why is empire tier c?
They are on par with vlandia.

 

[LES IS MOREx]

Knight is better than Lancer and druzhinik

 

[sleepy dragon]

Knight is better than Lancer and druzhinik

Agreed

 

[Ganjaa]

OP
Well said nice info. I would like an update on these each time they change the troops dmg ex.!!! Keep up the good work!

Knight is better than Lancer and druzhinik

Knight is S teir. Lancer and druzhinik are A Teir.


To be fair this looks like a skirmish Teir list.

 

[LES IS MOREx]

OP
Well said nice info. I would like an update on these each time they change the troops dmg ex.!!! Keep up the good work!



Knight is S teir. Lancer and druzhinik are A Teir.


To be fair this looks like a skirmish Teir list.

Best cav list not including drops from team play but team play would bump vanguard up much much higher.

Mamluke (Barding, Heavy Lance)
Druzhinnik (Barding, Lance)
Knight (Improved Armor, Large Shield)
Cataphract (Agile Horse, Small Shield)
Mounted Warrior (Tougher Horse, Longer Spear)
Lancer(Improved Armor,Small Shield
Beduin(Camel, Small Shield)
Courser (Faster Horse, Small Shield)
Vanguard(Improved Armor, Small Shield)
Nomad(Charger Horse, Small Shield)
Raider (Tougher Horse, Shield)
Mounted Archer (Faster Horse, Extra Arrows)

Tell me im wrong!

 

[Athenon_FireBlood]

Best cav list not including drops from team play but team play would bump vanguard up much much higher.

Mamluke (Barding, Heavy Lance)
Druzhinnik (Barding, Lance)
Knight (Improved Armor, Large Shield)
Cataphract (Agile Horse, Small Shield)
Mounted Warrior (Tougher Horse, Longer Spear)
Lancer(Improved Armor,Small Shield
Beduin(Camel, Small Shield)
Courser (Faster Horse, Small Shield)
Vanguard(Improved Armor, Small Shield)
Nomad(Charger Horse, Small Shield)
Raider (Tougher Horse, Shield)
Mounted Archer (Faster Horse, Extra Arrows)

Tell me im wrong!

Thanks for the info Les. I am not myself a good cavalry player and was rating them on how I felt, but playing against pubs really doesn't help figure them out... even more when you don't play anything outside of mounted archers.
I will gladly change my list in regard of what you said as I know you're someone I can trust on that matter.

 

[Caps]

Thanks for the info Les. I am not myself a good cavalry player and was rating them on how I felt, but playing against pubs really doesn't help figure them out... even more when you don't play anything outside of mounted archers.
I will gladly change my list in regard of what you said as I know you're someone I can trust on that matter.

just compare their lance size. Would rank nomad lower hes just garbage with shield.

 

[부부를 넘어서 가자]

Best cav list not including drops from team play but team play would bump vanguard up much much higher.

Mamluke (Barding, Heavy Lance)
Druzhinnik (Barding, Lance)
Knight (Improved Armor, Large Shield)
Cataphract (Agile Horse, Small Shield)
Mounted Warrior (Tougher Horse, Longer Spear)
Lancer(Improved Armor,Small Shield
Beduin(Camel, Small Shield)
Courser (Faster Horse, Small Shield)
Vanguard(Improved Armor, Small Shield)
Nomad(Charger Horse, Small Shield)
Raider (Tougher Horse, Shield)
Mounted Archer (Faster Horse, Extra Arrows)

Tell me im wrong!

You drop the larger shield perk for javs on Knight and therefore win against every cav unit from another faction.
Also lancer over mounted warrior obviously, even over cataphract.

 

[Caps]

You drop the larger shield perk for javs on Knight and therefore win against every cav unit from another faction.
Also lancer over mounted warrior obviously, even over cataphract.

he calculated the price in aswell (even then probably since mounted warrior cant spawn in 3 times)

 

[부부를 넘어서 가자]

he calculated the price in aswell (even then probably since mounted warrior cant spawn in 3 times)

I can spawn as heavy cav twice on khuzait in the very first round in a proper 6v6. So it's the same amount of spawns even

 

[Aprikosenmann]

if you put all the units into a random list generator you would get something more accurate

true

 

[LES IS MOREx]

You drop the larger shield perk for javs on Knight and therefore win against every cav unit from another faction.
Also lancer over mounted warrior obviously, even over cataphract.

3 Javs are not going to help you in an actually comp match where archers will mess you up even through your blocked shield and to use javs against other cav is pretty silly when there are better weapons lancer has the smallest stabby stick 189 they have good armor but the mounted warrior for cheap gets a longer spear and a heavy horse AND has a huge shield Cataphract has the best heavy horse in game and a spear that’s 200 which makes it better than lancer also

 

[Caps]

true

he fixed alot of it already, imo sharpshooter still should be A or S tier

dont think 1 rank in the ladder will make a game breaking difference