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Don't be silly, everyone can be a hypocrite sometimes and there are many things worse than that. Murderers, rapists, forum moderators. Just think about it. Working for FREE just for that little tiny, insignificant bit of authority. Always cracks me up. But it really shouldn't it's kinda sad.Nothing worse than a hypocrite.?
Also MostBlunted is 100% right on this.
Like I said in the comment, sometimes I struggle as well, I am only human and I'm on the path of becoming what I preach, even if I am not there yet. It doesn't make me a hypocrite, but a currently developing, flawed human being. About that post about taking a 3-month break, I will explain why I wrote it. First of all I wrote it for myself, I wanted to motivate myself and keep me accountable on doing the things I wrote I will be doing. I've been having trouble with motivation a lot, since I felt pressured from multiple things I have to do and the easiest thing to do is dive deep into a video-game and stay there and ignore reality. It's an addiction, when people think of addiction they think of 'drugs', but everyone has their own escape which is not always a pill. I wanted to simply improve my life because I was feeling unhappy and had many responsibilities which I wasn't taking care of, and the pressure was getting to me. As you saw thereafter, I still wrote on the forum, so it didn't work. I saw a post and I felt like giving a suggestion, because I care about bannerlord's development as well. Then it went downhill. It was worth a try though. There was no ill-intent behind that post.Whilst I appreciate your sentiment in the post after this one.
Really sounds like you are just virtue signalling and going around calling other people toxic for expressing what they dislike about the current state of the game. When you yourself are doing the same thing and even "quitting" the forum for "at least 3 months".
Which lasted nothing but 3 days...
Then typing a huge essay on how people should be behaving or striving to behave when you don't do so yourself just makes it really hard to take anything you say seriously tbh.
You are right people have things going on in their lives (everybody has their own stuff going on).
But when people expect better or wish for something better from something they care about and are not seeing any progress.
Or when in this case the company has fed peoples expectations throughout all the blog posts and E3 footage and are not delivering, It's a perfectly justifiable situation for people to express that they want to see improvements.
If Taleworlds had not provided the information in the first place people would not be expecting them to deliver on those things.
And when the players have been trying their utmost for over a year to push feedback and hopefully see changes and most of them are largely ignored again, It's a natural human reaction to be quite annoyed or frustrated.
Many games are held accountable when they are not delivering what makes Bannerlord any different to those? Why can't this game be pushed to do better? We all want Bannerlord to be great. And we all agree it currently is not living up It's name.
Anyway people should strive to communicate better. So I agree with what you said. But you really need to practice what you preach my guy.
And before someone says that this a toxic post in itself, I am perfectly calm and being absolutely serious. Don't preach things you are not demonstrating yourself. Nothing worse than a hypocrite.?
From what I can see you are only here to play devils advocate for the sake of it.
The second reason I wrote it was just to try and give people a perspective in which - if the game doesn't satisfy their expectations to the point that it's making them very angry and frustrated, they should take a break - for their own wellbeing. I thought that no matter if it works for me or not for my own purpose, maybe there will be at least one other person that is inspired and maybe it would work for them. I do agree that you should always be what you preach, I know that very well. And believe me, I wish I was. But this is the current me and it's going to take some time.
And the third and more subtle reason was of course to try and lessen the negativity on the forum, which ties into people's own wellbeing and also the developers and mods. I just don't find negativity, when it is expressed inadequately, good for literally anyone - giver or receiver. Yes, it can be fun, funny, cathartic, and that's healthy in itself. But while some are joking (more or less), it still creates a cycle where people see that hate, see that it's fun, funny, cathartic, it feels good, and then they reproduce it. Why would anyone want a forum filled with negativity? Constructive criticism still works. I do agree that negativity attracts attention. I just don't think it's the best way to go about it.
Other games are being pushed to betterment as well. Valheim for example had comments of "give more content now!" as well, after the first week of release. But there were also people that said "take it easy bro, it's been released for a few weeks, have patience, let them enjoy this". When there was a negative comment, there would be like 3-4 guys jumping on him and saying something positive about the game (and there still hasn't been a major update for the game yet, but I do think it's coming soon). So the game was received way better, so it makes sense - really no bugs on release and good performance (for most), it's an amazing game. But on this forum it feels like it's the opposite... if someone writes a positive comment people jump on him and say something negative instead, which is a really funny parallel. I get it, people are unsatisfied with the game. I hope for improvements as well, which is why I try to give feedback. But just saying "your game sucks", "let's boycott the game" is not helping anyone at all. Those are aggressive, unnecessary comments... It's been on my mind for a while, it's just weird... if the game is still in EA, and it still gets updates monthly or so, then why so much hate...
People play the game, they get frustrated, then they come on the forum to spread hate (not suggestions) - this is what is going on. Which is why I think a break is very healthy in that case. It makes no sense to criticize the game after a new patch, then keep criticizing it until next patch like that is the final version of the game... at least give it some time, come back after a few patches and see if it's still worth criticizing. Seeing how mods have handled out some bans now, you can tell they've been very patient (with all the warnings etc), and they finally broke. It's just not humanly possible to handle hate every day. Every day there's a couple of posts that just express hate, and they're from recurring people. Imagine a work environment for yourself where some people are just allowed to come in and criticize you every day. Nobody likes being criticized. Online environment or not, it still hits you, everyone is only human. If devs were physically in a room, would people just go and start shouting at them and saying how bad of a job they're doing?... online it doesn't look so bad though. But yeah I guess I just wanted to mitigate that a little, I don't have any ill-interest. Just wanted to feel like I'm doing something positive, even if so insignificant as this, since I'm feeling pretty useless most of the time and I thought it was a good idea, that's all. You can call it my catharsis, and we can leave it at that.
Definition of hypocrite: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings. ?
Just stop preaching to people when clearly you are struggling yourself with the same thing. It's not hard to understand is it?
You can't be defensive over something you know you are guilty of and expect people to take it seriously.
JUST STOP telling others how to behave. That is my issue with your posts of late.
Some people have a low tolerance for BS. Which I am guilty of. And in this case you really have no leg to stand on as it were.
Very funny. Haha ha lets all laugh.
People have tried this approach for over a year and the siege AI is STILL broken. Something that literally from day 1 people said is extremely important to enjoying their playthroughs and affecting how much they wish to play and provide feedback.
The reason there is negativity is because they are exhausted of all the well thought out threads that recieve no response or if they do garner response it is rarely acted on or brushed of with "We don't think that is important". When most of the playerbase seem to be unilaterally in agreement that most of them ARE indeed important to them.
See thread: https://forums.taleworlds.com/index...cess-roadmap-ready-for-you-taleworlds.440590/
That would be because there are many bugs, bad performance and broken features that have not been fixed after 1 year of players hard work trying to provide feedback and raise awareness of issues.
There has been progress but always in minor areas or areas were proiritised that nobody had really been asking for.
Hence why they get a different response. If everyone was happy they would be doing the same thing here, as they are VERY passionate about this game.
They have had 1 whole year of EA (and nearly 8 years in development) and the pace is INCREDIBLY slow. If you can't understand why they are frustrated when the information is all over this forum, with far many other posters who can put this point across better than I can. Then I am sorry but I won't try to elaborate as I will do a poor job of it
Let the mods do the moderating and let Taleworlds make statements on the progress of the game. And leave it to them.
This is a forum where feedback is to be provided. If the feedback needs to be negative because after 1 year of little progress the players want make sure the devs know they are not happy. Then that is what Early Access is for. Providing feedback and making necessary changes and providing a finished product.
You are complaining about something that is good for the game.
Sometimes someone oversteps and a mod steps in. It happens. But the important part is that the message he was banned for is actually based on legitimate concerns that we all share.
When the vast majority are all voicing the same concerns and you keep jumping in to protect the devs when realistically in most of our eyes these posts are not even "toxic". They are just critical and wish for better for Bannerlord. Then expect to be standing alone?
Something being toxic is subjective and it all depends on how little criticism you can take. And I am sorry but if you are in game development you need to have some form of thick skin as it comes with the territory.
Gamers are straight talking people. And have low tolerance for BS. What do you expect?
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There's just one thing I want to point out about the post.
Of course it is different. Valheim is honestly a far better experience than Bannerlord, a game that had been in creation for nearly a decade, funded by a government and now sits in EA for a year with barely any change. Bannerlord launched with an exceptional list of bugs and issues. I was part of the beta for months and the experience now is only different enough that it doesn't crash every fifteen minutes or so.
The snail pace of updates makes it even worse. Most of our updates are bug fixes, and nothing we say as a community seems to be reaching the development team whatsoever, and coupled with their incredibly poor skill in talking to their community, it makes people like MostBlunted. If one year of time isn't enough, what time will suffice to allow us to voice our criticisms that do not fall along the pretty line? We were promised so much and most of that has seemingly been executed under the table, and the rest of it hasn't even been discussed in months or implemented. We only just recently got prison breaks, for example.
MostBlunted made the mistake of using language the forum did not tolerate, but nothing he said was incorrect when it came to the state of Bannerlord and the devs. Beyond his trolling sarcasm, he wasn't even really being toxic, so it's really not that bad. However, if people stay quiet and docile about the development of the game, the devs will continue to slide back down the hill they managed to inch up the last year.
If you love the game, you should be very adamant about your opinion of it.
Of course it is different. Valheim is honestly a far better experience than Bannerlord, a game that had been in creation for nearly a decade, funded by a government and now sits in EA for a year with barely any change. Bannerlord launched with an exceptional list of bugs and issues. I was part of the beta for months and the experience now is only different enough that it doesn't crash every fifteen minutes or so.
The snail pace of updates makes it even worse. Most of our updates are bug fixes, and nothing we say as a community seems to be reaching the development team whatsoever, and coupled with their incredibly poor skill in talking to their community, it makes people like MostBlunted. If one year of time isn't enough, what time will suffice to allow us to voice our criticisms that do not fall along the pretty line? We were promised so much and most of that has seemingly been executed under the table, and the rest of it hasn't even been discussed in months or implemented. We only just recently got prison breaks, for example.
MostBlunted made the mistake of using language the forum did not tolerate, but nothing he said was incorrect when it came to the state of Bannerlord and the devs. Beyond his trolling sarcasm, he wasn't even really being toxic, so it's really not that bad. However, if people stay quiet and docile about the development of the game, the devs will continue to slide back down the hill they managed to inch up the last year.
If you love the game, you should be very adamant about your opinion of it.
Lol I refunded it. Boring. Chop trees? LOL GTFO Valhiem. Got 2.5K+ hours in Bannerlord though.
And I still complain about it! The more I play the more there is to complain about! The longer I play the more my complaints ferment into potent whines! ????
StewVader
Sergeant
TaleWorlds knowingly deceived their most ardent fans, and then ghosted us for a year. A betrayal, simple as that.
Now, we all must simply agree to never buy another product from them again. Its that simple. If we want change, if we want Bannerlord to be the game we were promised, we must act with our wallets; not our words. A full blown boycott of all TW products is the only remedy.
Hopefully TW will just sell the M&B IP and a company that gives a **** will develop the game we deserve.
TW you're garbage and you won't get a penny from me ever again.
Now, we all must simply agree to never buy another product from them again. Its that simple. If we want change, if we want Bannerlord to be the game we were promised, we must act with our wallets; not our words. A full blown boycott of all TW products is the only remedy.
Hopefully TW will just sell the M&B IP and a company that gives a **** will develop the game we deserve.
TW you're garbage and you won't get a penny from me ever again.
get out of here with that ****.
Whether or not you like the game, the experience of it was way smoother than Bannerlord, especially at their launch dates. That cannot be denied. And good for you, you have 2.5k hours in Bannerlord. Was I supposed to pat your back for that?
Wait, why? Is that no longer the case? Also, I don't think being funded itself is bad, just that it's ridiculous that a game funded by a government could be this far behind. Is this wrong information?
I love it, it's grindy so it's to my taste xd I just am waiting for more content, because I could only milk it for about 140 hours, so compared to bannerlord it falls 1000 hours short. Still, a great experience, graphics not of the highest end, but good artstyle. Better than triple A games for sure, who have the whole thing backwards. Hopefully next updates will increase replayability a bit somehow
It tickles me somehow I can't explain?
The experience of copy-pasted re-skinned mechanics from decade old games, of witch their are dozens of contemporary examples already........
More that I've gotten a massive amount of entertainment from bannerlord despite it's initial roughness and the frustrations/complaints I have piling up about it.
Uh-huh, sure thing.
Alright, but why even bring it up to that specific part of my comment? What you quoted was comparing the stable releases of both games and its overall smooth experiences, not whether or not you liked it or if you had over two thousand hours in any of them. I'm also very certain many here have reached thousands of hours of enjoyment, well maybe hundreds, but that wouldn't negate the point presented.
I don't like Valhiem and I like Bannerlord even if I also sometimes hate bannerlord, seemed like you got that, did you not?or are just arguing for fun now? Anyway a game can be stable game of the century, doesn't matter if it sucks.
I'm not arguing, I asked a question. All I wanted to know why what you liked was relevant to what I had pointed out, that's all. Seems I might have pinched a nerve though, jeez. ?
I'm not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that even if Bannerlord sucks, it was stable, or are you referencing Valheim again? Feel free to not respond, if you find a discussion on the matter annoying.
StewVader
Sergeant
2.5k hrs in Bannerlord is not a testament to how good/stable/playable Bannerlord is. Its a testament to how boring your life must be during the pandemic.
Your 2.5k hrs in Bannerlord is likely a great example of a sunken cost fallacy at work.
Also, Bannerlord is the same type of boring as Valheim, so I think you just learned your lesson from Bannerlord and refunded Valheim immediately. Its not like Bannerlord's gameplay or mechanics is any better, or less grindy.... lol.
Sorry i'm not sorry.
Marajah
Regular
I sign under the original post.
Been some months since I played bannerlord. Came back to the forums to see if anything's new and there are new faces complaining about old things from the months after EA release.
It got me through some bad days in the pandemic, not exactly in a good way. It just has an addictive enough loophole where you can keep playing it joylessly for hours on end. Now that I'm back on my feet, I don't feel any reason at all to touch the game. Gardening, learning a new language, or other sources of digital entertainment, like other games and movies, are all more enjoyable, fun and productive than playing this dead game. It's honestly sad how TW dropped the ball
Been some months since I played bannerlord. Came back to the forums to see if anything's new and there are new faces complaining about old things from the months after EA release.
It got me through some bad days in the pandemic, not exactly in a good way. It just has an addictive enough loophole where you can keep playing it joylessly for hours on end. Now that I'm back on my feet, I don't feel any reason at all to touch the game. Gardening, learning a new language, or other sources of digital entertainment, like other games and movies, are all more enjoyable, fun and productive than playing this dead game. It's honestly sad how TW dropped the ball
2.5k hours is a testament to how much he has enjoyed the game... He could be doing anything else with his free time, but he chooses to play Bannerlord. Why? To torture himself? No he obviously likes the game as do many of the players here. They're just disappointed with the direction or slow pace of development.
I know that's difficult for you to wrap your head around Stew, but something you have to accept.
I know that's difficult for you to wrap your head around Stew, but something you have to accept.
Come now, you can't really believe that. 2.5k hours and you think he doesn't enjoy it? You got a bit salty here, my guy.
Sounds like my ex. Years-long relationship, loved each other deeply, I was going to propose to her, then, whoosh! She randomly got rid of me overnight. She wanted to be "friends" and ****, "can't live without you" and all that jazz, but I told her to piss off instead. Only difference between that and Bannerlord, is that I didn't stick around for her afterwards, while for some reason for a while I expected something else from TW. Hell, both Bannerlord and that mess happened last year.
God, you're such a savage. I love it
Yes, it's wrong. They got some grants that were minor compared to their other sources of revenue. It's wrong to say that the company or Bannerlord is funded by the government.
It's the same as if I gave you money for a coffee and started calling you my employee.
