Man, those people are going to be disappointed.I think it all comes from the #7 update video from TW. A release date wasn't specified, but that was almost 3 months ago and when it didn't hit 1.5.9, people just assumed it will hit with the next number in the patch line.
this reads like an AI trained on reddit comment sections. nice job to whoever did the training. very realistic.I have been playing Mount & Blade for a bit over one and a half decades. I love it. I can wait for Bannerlord to finish. I mean, how long has it been in early access? That'll tell you how much I care about all the complaining.
Bannerlord could take another 16 years for all I care. Can't y'all just chill? Go play Fortnite or something-- TikTok flossing some more, or whatever you damn kids do these days. You know what? Get off my lawn. Bannerlord will be done when it's done.
He's right, though. Play something else while you wait.this reads like an AI trained on reddit comment sections. nice job to whoever did the training. very realistic.
That's hardly the pointHe's right, though. Play something else while you wait.
Why people keep spouting this kind of nonsense I can't understand. What other business can say "it's done when it's done" and expect that it won't piss off their customers? That kind of logic means that we may never get a full release. I have no problem with TW not rushing but we're going on 9 years since the game was announced. This isn't slow development it's glacial. TW needs to be have deadlines and do they're best to meet them. They are their own worst enemy.I have been playing Mount & Blade for a bit over one and a half decades. I love it. I can wait for Bannerlord to finish. I mean, how long has it been in early access? That'll tell you how much I care about all the complaining.
Bannerlord could take another 16 years for all I care. Can't y'all just chill? Go play Fortnite or something-- TikTok flossing some more, or whatever you damn kids do these days. You know what? Get off my lawn. Bannerlord will be done when it's done.
As Bloc said, that isn't the point. It's not like Mount & Blade is the only franchise people on this forum play. They play Paradox Games (Europa Universalis, Imperator, Crusader Kings, Hearts of Iron, Stellaris), Total War and Age of Empires to name a few. I imagine the development hell defenders think that anybody who is critical of the existential hell and cluster**** that is Bannerlord just sit idle at their computers, staring blankly into their monitors. For the few hours of lesiure that they have in their busy days after work/school, locked in a trance towards their screens like a cow looks at an oncoming train, not able to do anything aside from refresh the browser every few minutes to see if Bannerlord has gotten an update. Obviously we play other games, I think that's pretty damn obvious?He's right, though. Play something else while you wait.
I have been playing Mount & Blade for a bit over one and a half decades. I love it. I can wait for Bannerlord to finish. I mean, how long has it been in early access? That'll tell you how much I care about all the complaining.
Bannerlord could take another 16 years for all I care. Can't y'all just chill? Go play Fortnite or something-- TikTok flossing some more, or whatever you damn kids do these days. You know what? Get off my lawn. Bannerlord will be done when it's done.
Wasn't he the same person?Callum speaks english. So does the Lord of Soon
He's not right. The game has a direction problem and more time and a bunch of reddit-tier white-knighting isn't gonna fix itHe's right, though. Play something else while you wait.
I come on this forum about once a week to check if there's a new patch with something interesting or (more likely) a fun new forum thread to read. I guess that's too much for some people since I'm daring to be critical of TW's development process.As Bloc said, that isn't the point. It's not like Mount & Blade is the only franchise people on this forum play. They play Paradox Games (Europa Universalis, Imperator, Crusader Kings, Hearts of Iron, Stellaris), Total War and Age of Empires to name a few. I imagine the development hell defenders think that anybody who is critical of the existential hell and cluster**** that is Bannerlord just sit idle at their computers, staring blankly into their monitors. For the few hours of lesiure that they have in their busy days after work/school, locked in a trance towards their screens like a cow looks at an oncoming train, not able to do anything aside from refresh the browser every few minutes to see if Bannerlord has gotten an update. Obviously we play other games, I think that's pretty damn obvious?
Neither will *****ing about it.He's not right. The game has a direction problem and more time and a bunch of reddit-tier white-knighting isn't gonna fix it
Wrong. Raising your concerns, over and over, does show what is wrong with the game. That's how feedback works. Your feedback could be "this game is bad" only and if you are getting support - it's CM's responsibility to find out why the hell so many people are saying same thing. Not everyone gives super cool criticism or idea - but good or bad, both works for TW. Circlejerking or wait-and-see doesn't.Neither will *****ing about it.
Even if you put dancing spiderman GIF's in your suggestions to take the attention of devs, it won't work. Why? They are not even using the forum, let alone reading your suggestions. There are only a handful of people who are actually reading and engaging with the forum and they are not the decisions makers.Properly think through your suggestions, properly write it, and post it in the proper section for the devs to read.
@Bloc,Even if you put dancing spiderman GIF's in your suggestions to take the attention of devs, it won't work. Why? They are not even using the forum, let alone reading your suggestions. There are only a handful of people who are actually reading and engaging with the forum and they are not the decisions makers.
And if they're not gonna listen then we have every right to be angry and fill up this forum with our anger. TW already got our money, they can deal with our criticism even if it's not sandwiched between bouts of effusive praise to assuage their fragile psyches as some seem to believe is necessary when giving feedback to game companies.Wrong. Raising your concerns, over and over, does show what is wrong with the game. That's how feedback works. Your feedback could be "this game is bad" only and if you are getting support - it's CM's responsibility to find out why the hell so many people are saying same thing. Not everyone gives super cool criticism or idea - but good or bad, both works for TW. Circlejerking or wait-and-see doesn't.
And if more people supports this idea rather than supporting "wait and see" then we might see some actual progress in this tech-demo. We "waited" and "saw" the progress in 8 years. We even saw how much they listened or cared within the timeframe of EA. So people do have right to complain and raise they concerns and no one in this forum is in position of saying "stop complaining, don't be a *****" to other members.
They already have our money. What's the incentive to give us more than the bare minimum at this point?After more than one month and a half waiting for a new beta we still have no clues what should we expect from it, no idea what is going to be included, what is being balanced, etc just guesses based on few outdated dev diaries.
It's hard to understood.
what should we play?He's right, though. Play something else while you wait.
Feedback alone doesn't fix the game. No matter what we say here and how many people support it, if the devs don't work on it, no code will be written and no assets will be modeled. Just as nobody is in a "position" to say "stop complaining, don't be a ****" nobody is also in position to prevent others to say so.Wrong. Raising your concerns, over and over, does show what is wrong with the game. That's how feedback works.
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no one in this forum is in position of saying "stop complaining, don't be a *****" to other members.
We've seen plenty of times on here that the only way to get a non-boilerplate response out of TW is to raise a big stink and get enough angry people in one thread. People respond to actions, not words. Telling us to be "proper" in feedback is a bunch of empty words with nothing behind them and will summarily be ignored until TW gives us some damn incentive for being detailed and "proper".Feedback alone doesn't fix the game. No matter what we say here and how many people support it, if the devs don't work on it, no code will be written and no assets will be modeled. Just as nobody is in a "position" to say "stop complaining, don't be a ****" nobody is also in position to prevent others to say so.
As I said, if people want to help, do it in a proper way, but know that unless the devs actually read, agree with, and work on it, it's not going to get into the game. There's no such guarantee. Why do it in a proper way? To increase your chance of being heard and agreed with. The mods do read up suggestions and bug reports and forward them to the dev team, so the best we can do is try to salvage and improve that little relationship while it's still here.
Regular feedback is a normal thing - common in well-managed companies. The more 'formal' and regular the better motivation to actually deliver real work. I don't know man... i do it all the time. My work isn't special in this regard i presume. Little time pressure and responsibility never hurt anyone..Feedback alone doesn't fix the game. No matter what we say here and how many people support it, if the devs don't work on it, no code will be written and no assets will be modeled. Just as nobody is in a "position" to say "stop complaining, don't be a ****" nobody is also in position to prevent others to say so.
As I said, if people want to help, do it in a proper way, but know that unless the devs actually read, agree with, and work on it, it's not going to get into the game. There's no such guarantee. Why do it in a proper way? To increase your chance of being heard and agreed with. The mods do read up suggestions and bug reports and forward them to the dev team, so the best we can do is try to salvage and improve that little relationship while it's still here.