FearItself
Sergeant at Arms

Does anyone here have a real life? 
It's just a game guys.
It's just a game guys.


Being more responsible how? Specifics please. What should they have done?Styo 说:Actually Cam, if the same thing happened to us, we would of still played with how ever many we have on. Also, Marnid does have a say since he was at the meeting. And how is BkS supposed to know about the rule change? By being more responsible.
Oh and for the record, Akmar told them about the rules change in the begging, and stated that you play with that you have.
Keep in contact with SPQR. Updating your clan with the lastest wins/losses. etc... Its common sense, if you ask me. Its not rocket science.CAM_mE_iS_Newb 说:Being more responsible how? Specifics please. What should they have done?Styo 说:Actually Cam, if the same thing happened to us, we would of still played with how ever many we have on. Also, Marnid does have a say since he was at the meeting. And how is BkS supposed to know about the rule change? By being more responsible.
Oh and for the record, Akmar told them about the rules change in the begging, and stated that you play with that you have.
nK would have known the rules and followed them, or decided to withdraw if we didn't know the rules were changed and didn't like them. We wouldn't have raged the whole game and cursed and insulted Bks the entire match. In fact, this might still happen to us today and Sunday, and we will play even if we are short on members, because we are going to follow the rules.Basically, reverse the situation. Would you be pissed if BkS did the same thing you did to them, to you? What would you do? Honestly now, don't give me that "We'd nicely ask them to switch from 10 to 6 players" bull****. I like nK, I really do, But I also like BkS. BkS gave US respect when we lost to them terribly (not even one round won out of 10) by using saddle horses and javelins (6v6). I've even personally heard Marnid/Orion say that when nK fights BkS, they come out on even terms. What this looks like to me is nK using this to their advantage.
We did tell them of the rule change when they showed up.What would I have done? Honestly, I would have told them before the fight about the rule change. If they weren't at the meeting, they OBVIOUSLY don't know what the rules are beforehand. Why can't you just be the bigger clan and inform them of it? What was the problem about telling them the change? Can you give me any valid reason why you couldn't?
Marnid was one who attended the clan meeting with SPQR afaik, so he has some reason to post here.Marnid; Based on Styo's input, since you weren't there, you can't have an opinion I guess.
CtrlAltDe1337 说:Rhade, let these facts be submitted to a candid word:
1) SPQR made that post about the rule change on MAY 9, the game we played was May 28th. That is ample time for one of your members to find out about the rule change. He even held a clan meeting concerning the issue. If you didn't make that, it is not our fault. The post was made on public forums and confirmed later through private messages, so you have no excuse to not know about the rule. You joined the tournament and have a responsibility to know when your matches are and what the rules are. Communication could have been much better, yes, but I'm not in charge of that. In fact, no one in nK is in charge of that. Talk to SPQR. But I'm he probably isn't going to post here after you all are making such a big drama issue out of this. I don't even know why I'm posting here, other than out of some altruistic naive hope that we can settle this.
2) We told you about the rule change when you joined the server and gave you ample time to prepare. I believe we started 20 minutes late. After realizing that you weren't up to speed on the rules before, you could have agreed to play instead of complaining the whole game, or withdrew from the tournament if you don't like the rules. Instead, you chose to complain the whole time.
3) We did not break the rules, we are following the rules, so your baseless accusations are pointless.
4) You could have brought more mercs, as you only fielded one. Instead, you chose to play with less people. We made the effort to organize, to get people to show up, to line up some backups. You could have done the same.
5) This is a tournament, so no rematches. If there is an issue, SPQR will call it. Previously, I would have said that I would be happy to play Bks again once you can get a team of 10 (or at leasttogether, as you have a good team, but after last night's mudslinging fest, I feel differently. I am not the match coordinator for nK, but I see no reason to fight a clan that constantly complains, belittles, and curses us the entire game, then rages at the end. I thought we were supposed to have a civil game, not some childish display of a total lack of discipline and self control. You talk about respect; I don't see how anyone can respect you guys after last night. Even Search, who always seemed like a pretty cool guy, was getting in on the raging. I would expect such childish displays from KyKy, as he acts like an idiot even on public servers, but not the rest of you. I only remember 1 Bks member who didn't. We have server logs and screenshots of your disreputable behavior, but I don't see a need to post them here, as it will just escalate the drama instead of settling it.
nK would have known the rules and followed them, or decided to withdraw if we didn't know the rules were changed and didn't like them. We wouldn't have raged the whole game and cursed and insulted Bks the entire match. In fact, this might still happen to us today and Sunday, and we will play even if we are short on members, because we are going to follow the rules.Basically, reverse the situation. Would you be pissed if BkS did the same thing you did to them, to you? What would you do? Honestly now, don't give me that "We'd nicely ask them to switch from 10 to 6 players" bull****. I like nK, I really do, But I also like BkS. BkS gave US respect when we lost to them terribly (not even one round won out of 10) by using saddle horses and javelins (6v6). I've even personally heard Marnid/Orion say that when nK fights BkS, they come out on even terms. What this looks like to me is nK using this to their advantage.
We did tell them of the rule change when they showed up.What would I have done? Honestly, I would have told them before the fight about the rule change. If they weren't at the meeting, they OBVIOUSLY don't know what the rules are beforehand. Why can't you just be the bigger clan and inform them of it? What was the problem about telling them the change? Can you give me any valid reason why you couldn't?
Marnid was one who attended the clan meeting with SPQR afaik, so he has some reason to post here.Marnid; Based on Styo's input, since you weren't there, you can't have an opinion I guess.
But anyhow, I'm done here until you guys are over this. I've made my points, Rhade & co. hasn't said anything new, I see no reason to continue this. If SPQR wants to declare nK's win invalid, I will accept that decision, but I do not see how he can reach that conclusion. Its too bad it had to come to this, but we aren't going to back off of a legitimate win. Maybe we can have a civil match in the future, Rhade, once you recruit some more mature membersUntil then, good luck and have fun to everyone in the tournament. And can we get an update on who won the other tourney tiers?
edit: oh, one last thing, Fireonice, Socks, and Voso you guys aren't helping matters. Plz don't spam or troll okay?![]()
You quit and left. Therefore you have left the Tourney.SPQR 说:YUP.. I missed your PM Ariel
Sorry bout that.. but you are exactly right.. to the detail..
Just so you know if you beat us you will play Balion Mercs.. as we tied yesterday.. so.. they are still in....
In the other Bracket BKS and NK had a falling out.. but NK won... so whoever wins our bracket will Play them next.
SPQR
Styo 说:You quit and left. Therefore you have left the Tourney.SPQR 说:YUP.. I missed your PM Ariel
Sorry bout that.. but you are exactly right.. to the detail..
Just so you know if you beat us you will play Balion Mercs.. as we tied yesterday.. so.. they are still in....
In the other Bracket BKS and NK had a falling out.. but NK won... so whoever wins our bracket will Play them next.
SPQR
Also 4vs4 are not scrims. More like pick up practice's. Sorry that your e-peen blinds you, we are not scared, we just dont feel like playing a bunch of e-peen zerging MMO douches. G'day, I'm done posting on this thread for this is pathetic.

Rhonen 说:Honestly I believe almost everyone in nK would love a rematch with BkS, to see who is the better in an organized match with at least 8+ people. Our previous 4v4 pick upgames were completely unorganized spur of the moment decisions without our main players and without the use of our cavalry, nothing to brag over. However is it really worth the trouble of setting up a rematch if this is what happens over the slightest miscommunication? When we had our scrim with balion they were not yet informed of the rules, however the problem was settled easily with just a little more communication. I know my idea of a good fun and challenging match is not a giant flame war over the forums, or even worse being harassed from the very start of the match which starts 20 minutes later after I had to inform you of the tourney rules.
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3046/bksrage.png
A 4v4 would matter, if it were organized and set up in advance. However a spur of the moment pick up game without our starting line up players doesn't. IMO. That would be like saying our nK practices are serious bznz and we should record all of the scores from them.Rhade 说:Rhonen 说:Honestly I believe almost everyone in nK would love a rematch with BkS, to see who is the better in an organized match with at least 8+ people. Our previous 4v4 pick upgames were completely unorganized spur of the moment decisions without our main players and without the use of our cavalry, nothing to brag over. However is it really worth the trouble of setting up a rematch if this is what happens over the slightest miscommunication? When we had our scrim with balion they were not yet informed of the rules, however the problem was settled easily with just a little more communication. I know my idea of a good fun and challenging match is not a giant flame war over the forums, or even worse being harassed from the very start of the match which starts 20 minutes later after I had to inform you of the tourney rules.
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3046/bksrage.png
Excuse me, I didn't take any fraps or screenshots of your totally disrespectful behavior of killing us as we typed, attempting to rectify the situation, because it wasn't my intent to mudsling you guys on the forums, it was my intent to fix the situation. It's obvious, with how hard you worked on so many screenshots and putting this together, that you guys were intent on just mudslinging from the get-go.
Guess we should have taken fraps of your disrespect. But then again, I don't know how that even enters the situation here.
The argument of "4v4 doesn't matter, but 8v8 does" is a bit silly.
You guys didn't follow the posted rules, nK has yet to win anything.
Styo 说:So we are cowardly, low, disrespectful, disgusting and what else?
Oh btw we killed you while you were typing because we were playing a tourney that was started 20 minutes late![]()
Rhonen 说:A 4v4 would matter, if it were organized and set up in advance. However a spur of the moment pick up game without our starting line up players doesn't. IMO. That would be like saying our nK practices are serious bznz and we should record all of the scores from them.Rhade 说:Rhonen 说:Honestly I believe almost everyone in nK would love a rematch with BkS, to see who is the better in an organized match with at least 8+ people. Our previous 4v4 pick upgames were completely unorganized spur of the moment decisions without our main players and without the use of our cavalry, nothing to brag over. However is it really worth the trouble of setting up a rematch if this is what happens over the slightest miscommunication? When we had our scrim with balion they were not yet informed of the rules, however the problem was settled easily with just a little more communication. I know my idea of a good fun and challenging match is not a giant flame war over the forums, or even worse being harassed from the very start of the match which starts 20 minutes later after I had to inform you of the tourney rules.
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3046/bksrage.png
Excuse me, I didn't take any fraps or screenshots of your totally disrespectful behavior of killing us as we typed, attempting to rectify the situation, because it wasn't my intent to mudsling you guys on the forums, it was my intent to fix the situation. It's obvious, with how hard you worked on so many screenshots and putting this together, that you guys were intent on just mudslinging from the get-go.
Guess we should have taken fraps of your disrespect. But then again, I don't know how that even enters the situation here.
The argument of "4v4 doesn't matter, but 8v8 does" is a bit silly.
You guys didn't follow the posted rules, nK has yet to win anything.
I'm sorry I didn't know BkS used 2 cavalry for scouting and taking out weak enemies in our previous 4v4s, and split up the teams into pre-planned groups for flanking. Oh **** never mind I am just copying you guys, sorry that I'm using an age old tactic. I should quit being an nK leader and match commander due to the fact that I'm using a super secret BkS strat.20:25:55 - [BkS_Search] and use our strat lol, how pathetic can you get
20:26:05 - [BkS_Search] im really feeling bad for you guys
Rhonen 说:I'm sorry I didn't know BkS used 2 cavalry for scouting and taking out weak enemies in our previous 4v4s, and split up the teams into pre-planned groups for flanking. Oh **** never mind I am just copying you guys, sorry that I'm using an age old tactic. I should quit being an nK leader and match commander due to the fact that I'm using a super secret BkS strat.20:25:55 - [BkS_Search] and use our strat lol, how pathetic can you get
20:26:05 - [BkS_Search] im really feeling bad for you guys