Multiplayer - Two Handed Weapons are too powerful

[Kodashi]

    It seems to me that especially Two Handed Axes, Swords, and Maces are too powerful.  They are capable of swinging way too fast with the added benefit of easier instant killing of the target.  I realize that the downside is that you're without shield but this penalty seems light considering two handed weapons when properly wielded, can kill anything.  There needs to be more of a downside to these weapons so there is more of a reason to use other choices available.

 

[HTAPAWASO]

If you're struggling against people with 2hs, get some archers on your team or try and fight in a tight space.

I think they're balanced as well as they have ever been at the moment.

 

[Kodashi]

I'm not sure Archers are a solution.  I think it's moreso the fact that 2handed weapons are clearly superior to SwordnBoard.  They should be equal but different...

 

[Ruthven]

I think of them only as free kills tbh.

Unless the use is Gravish or somebody like that.

 

[Dent]

I think of them only as free kills tbh.

Unless the use is Gravish or somebody like that.

Ruthven, wasn't I destroying you in duels with my two handed sword a couple days ago? ~PassiveAggressive.

I like two handed weapons but if I'm not hopped up on caffeine or sugar my reaction time is way too slow to do anything but die. If you have a shield, just use it to get in close and put some pressure on them. If they destroy your board all you need to be able to do is block sides. If they use an up attack, sidestep and thrust into them.

 

[findecanno]

I find killing two-handers easy with sword and board, except for axes, as they can break shields easily. Now, if the two-hander is in the hands of a really good player who knows how to block and kickslash and such, then yeah, you pretty much are dead, but the same could be said if the good player was using any other weapon.

 

[guilemaster]

Shields take less skill to use then 2h weapons. If you're any good at all, 2h spammers are more like free kills, tbh. But good 2h people- i run in fear when i see them

 

[HTAPAWASO]

I'm not sure Archers are a solution.  I think it's moreso the fact that 2handed weapons are clearly superior to SwordnBoard.  They should be equal but different...

I only see very good manual blockers as a threat with a 2h...

Like Ruthven said, bad/mediocre players are just free kills if they don't have a shield.



If you get killed by a 2h quickly, chances are you're falling for their feints and opening your guard. Just wait 'til they actually hit your shield before attacking back.
If you can't kill them before they destroy your shield, you're either not being aggressive enough or they're very good at blocking. Try practicing your own manual blocking so you can fight them effectively even after your shield is destroyed, or practice your own feinting to try and get around their blocks.

And like I said, whenever possible draw them into close quarters like the inside of a ruin or a building. It'll make it very hard for them to swing without hitting a wall.

 

[ryizzel]

Play in rooms that have FF enabled. Most people who use 2 handed weapons are nothing but spammers, once in servers with FF enabled they will be more likely to hit their own teammates than you.

Otherwise, work on your feinting to screw up their blocking.

 

[Ruthven]

I think of them only as free kills tbh.

Unless the use is Gravish or somebody like that.

Ruthven, wasn't I destroying you in duels with my two handed sword a couple days ago? ~PassiveAggressive.

I like two handed weapons but if I'm not hopped up on caffeine or sugar my reaction time is way too slow to do anything but die. If you have a shield, just use it to get in close and put some pressure on them. If they destroy your board all you need to be able to do is block sides. If they use an up attack, sidestep and thrust into them.

If you were I was on some chamberblock practice. I reckon I can give a fairly good run for someone's money if I _try_ and don't get shot in the process. (Or any other cheap trick like point-blank throwing weapons.)

 

[guilemaster]

Rhodok lolhammers and Sarridin Mace's are the most deadly 2h's against shield users, in my opinion. The knockdown effect almost certainly ends in your death. But sword users only win if they can get past the shield.

 

[Kodashi]

I'm not convinced.  They seem to have the same speed as a one hander (and in some cases are faster) while dealing considerably more damage.  The long Birdiche axes(they almost seem like cheating) are the worst I have encountered so far.  It would be nice if one could jam these long weapons as you could in real life.  I feel they swing way too fast as is..

 

[guilemaster]

I'm not convinced.  They seem to have the same speed as a one hander (and in some cases are faster) while dealing considerably more damage.  The long Birdiche axes(they almost seem like cheating) are the worst I have encountered so far.  It would be nice if one could jam these long weapons as you could in real life.  I feel they swing way too fast as is..

Think of the game like a class based counter system, instead of a weapon based counter system. Archers beat 2h users, since they have no shields. Cavalry beats archers, since they usually can't stop them from couching/stabbing/slicing them. Shield Infantry (with spears) beat cavalry, since they can block lances and can stop charges w/ spears. And probably where you are getting frustrated is this one- 2h beats shield inf, due to much larger range and quick shield breaking.(but good shield users can usually beat 2h users, since most can't block to save their lives)

 

[HTAPAWASO]

I'm not convinced.  They seem to have the same speed as a one hander (and in some cases are faster) while dealing considerably more damage.  The long Birdiche axes(they almost seem like cheating) are the worst I have encountered so far.  It would be nice if one could jam these long weapons as you could in real life.  I feel they swing way too fast as is..

Well yeah, they do more damage and have more range, but to compensate they are very vulnerable to ranged attacks, blocking is much much harder (especially against multiple opponents), they're hard to use when FF is enabled and they're difficult to use in tight spaces. Seems like enough setbacks to me.

Just carrying a few throwing weapons can help a great deal. You can often hurt/kill them before even engaging in melee, and if not you can sometimes force them to use a 1h+shield instead if they don't want to risk a throwing axe to the face.

 

[Sarejo]

2h weapons are easy to defeat with sword and shield. All you need is to keep your distance while they swing madly (in the case of a spammer), and get close really fast when a swing is nearing it's end. Then you just overwhelm them with feints and normal hits and they go down like flies.

Of course, if the wielder is actually skilled then, well, if the weapon has vs shield bonus you might want to run for your life, or hide your shield if you are good at manual blocking (the shield breaking "stun" I find annoying, I can never block the hit following that)

Well, in short: 2h aren't overpowered. You need to have the right approach to fight them. Yes, maybe some of them are a bit too fast considering how you could use them in real life, but speaking strictly of game balance, they are fine.

If you speak from personal experience, you just need to find the right way to counter them. Maybe you had really bad luck and always met guys like Gravish or Akmar, or Baron...

 

[Sir Nigel]

The problem with 2H weapons appears when the scenario allows top tier armor. On every map you will see swadians, nords, rhodoks and sarranids with the most powerful weapon they can get. I just finished a TDM playing nords wearing the heaviest armor and 3 hits from a scimitar just took 1/3 of my health. Of course, I killed my opponent with 1 single blow after that. I know 2H weapons are supposed to be better against armor than 1H, but we are not talking about plate here. And this affects arrows, too. Bows against heavy armor need 4-5 hits to kill anyone (not taking about head shots, which are not so easy for an average player as some people think).

Maybe the damage of some 1H weapons could be increased against armor (picks, hammers, whatever) so they become more useful at the later stages of battles.

 

[guilemaster]

2h weapons are easy to defeat with sword and shield. All you need is to keep your distance while they swing madly (in the case of a spammer), and get close really fast when a swing is nearing it's end. Then you just overwhelm them with feints and normal hits and they go down like flies.

Of course, if the wielder is actually skilled then, well, if the weapon has vs shield bonus you might want to run for your life, or hide your shield if you are good at manual blocking (the shield breaking "stun" I find annoying, I can never block the hit following that)

Well, in short: 2h aren't overpowered. You need to have the right approach to fight them. Yes, maybe some of them are a bit too fast considering how you could use them in real life, but speaking strictly of game balance, they are fine.

If you speak from personal experience, you just need to find the right way to counter them. Maybe you had really bad luck and always met guys like Gravish or Akmar, or Baron...

A bit too fast = Bamboo Spear. 'nuff said.

 

[RaVeN]

    It seems to me that especially Two Handed Axes, Swords, and Maces are too powerful.  They are capable of swinging way too fast with the added benefit of easier instant killing of the target.  I realize that the downside is that you're without shield but this penalty seems light considering two handed weapons when properly wielded, can kill anything.  There needs to be more of a downside to these weapons so there is more of a reason to use other choices available.

If you take a two handed mace with spikes on it, a giant hammer, two-handed sword or a great axe and swing it with both of your arms, what would you expect? That hit would be too powerful for the frail human body wouldn't it?

It really isn't the weapon itself being way too fast. I think the character's weapons proficiencies helps. But think about it, try to swing a sword with both arms compared to one arm, which will be faster?

I don't think two-handed weapons are too powerful or too fast.

 

[Berserker Pride]

The game gets real boring when sword and board is markedly more powerful.  Shield combat is still the undynamic borefest that it always was.  You just don't notice as much because nearly all factions but swadia get a shield crushing weapon.

 

[guilemaster]

The game gets real boring when sword and board is markedly more powerful.  Shield combat is still the undynamic borefest that it always was.  You just don't notice as much because nearly all factions but swadia get a shield crushing weapon.

I consider a couched lance to be a shield busting weapon