Multiplayer Mod Team Recruitment

[waraelm]

  so Elenmmare, if you ever want to try to mod something that have never been done before for mount and blade where it would hopefully bring the great epic experiences to Mount and Blade itself.  And yet, if someone try discouraging you from doing that in the future.  That is where I would be more than to jump in and knock some sense into these people to leave you alone and have you trying it for yourself.  Every succeed or failed project is alway a worth of it because it contains of valueful lessons that many modders may learn from it where it would apply to their own mods.

Eagle out...

oh im donig that im mixing star wars with medival musket  warfare.

 

[Archonsod]

I think I speak for a lot of us "close-minded people" when we say that the admins followed rules. Don't take it personally Eagle, they are removed from the discussion, and I'm pretty sure they didn't ban NN and all because they wanted multiplayer.

They were warned and chose to disregard it. I simply carried out my threat.

Eagle has a point though; a multiplayer mod is no different from any other mod. Around half of the mods mooted in the boards fail to ever get off the ground, but whenever a new one comes along you don't get fifteen pages of people complaining about it, regardless of the practicalities of the proposal.  Ignoring the blatant disregard of the no flaming rule which has happened several times in this thread I really don't see why a multiplayer mod should be treated any differently to a Warhammer 40K mod or similar.

 

[grailknighthero]

Can eagle stop flaunting about his victory?  Half the reason I continued past my first post was because of his flauntiness and go for it I support you thumbs up cheers stuff that he kept saying over and over again (although we said the same things overs and over again as well).

I guess at least this time, we have some people with some experience, no matter if it is only a little.

The question I have about your ideas Arch, is how you would get the changes to the save files and journal file into the game?  I don't even know what the journal file is so sorry if that is obvious if you know what the journal file is.  It would be nice if Armagan opened up the source to the game though.  It would make this a lot easier.

 

[Ampersand]

Hear in our local net we hold already the second online championship on M&B. But I can't share multiplayer cause afraid be sued in violation of EULA agreement.

Btw, then someone modifies e.g. troops.txt he/she creates derivative work based on M&B codes and violate terms of the EULA If they are read literally.
I am not sure but it seems that the ban to disassemble and modify a program code  has no legal background. Not many participants (if any) of black hat or def con were passed a verdict of guilty. Most nowadays intelligence serves have guys that every days duty are removing protection from programs and analyse code.
I believe that  "you may not  reverse engineer" in EULA should be read as "you can't distribute disassembled code or any company secrets you get from it". The same to  "you may not create derivative works", that should be read "you can create  derivative works, but you can't distribute them in a way that breaks rights of original product owner". I.e. mods and custom patches that do not break protection are allowed, distribution cracks and selling copies (even modified) as own are not.

Amazingly I read through this entire thread... waaay too much free time, apparently.  One thing that struck me was the absolute lack of comment on the above post made by Rongar, which states, if the bold statement is to be believed, that he has already found a way to make M&B multiplayer on his LAN.

Now I have no agenda in pointing this out beyond the fact that it struck me that this is quite a claim to be making about the viability of Multiplayer M&B - one that met with ZERO acknowledgment.  Perhaps those of you seeking answers should send your queries his way, although if the modifications that have been made truly are in violation of the EULA, more may not be forthcoming.

 

[waraelm]

dont mean to be rude arch but how can you compare a 40k mod to a mp mod??

 

[Banelion]

Hear in our local net we hold already the second online championship on M&B. But I can't share multiplayer cause afraid be sued in violation of EULA agreement.

Btw, then someone modifies e.g. troops.txt he/she creates derivative work based on M&B codes and violate terms of the EULA If they are read literally.
I am not sure but it seems that the ban to disassemble and modify a program code  has no legal background. Not many participants (if any) of black hat or def con were passed a verdict of guilty. Most nowadays intelligence serves have guys that every days duty are removing protection from programs and analyse code.
I believe that  "you may not  reverse engineer" in EULA should be read as "you can't distribute disassembled code or any company secrets you get from it". The same to  "you may not create derivative works", that should be read "you can create  derivative works, but you can't distribute them in a way that breaks rights of original product owner". I.e. mods and custom patches that do not break protection are allowed, distribution cracks and selling copies (even modified) as own are not.

Amazingly I read through this entire thread... waaay too much free time, apparently.  One thing that struck me was the absolute lack of comment on the above post made by Rongar, which states, if the bold statement is to be believed, that he has already found a way to make M&B multiplayer on his LAN.

Now I have no agenda in pointing this out beyond the fact that it struck me that this is quite a claim to be making about the viability of Multiplayer M&B - one that met with ZERO acknowledgment.  Perhaps those of you seeking answers should send your queries his way, although if the modifications that have been made truly are in violation of the EULA, more may not be forthcoming.

Quoting this so it isn't ignored. I don't really know myself what to say about it, but I'm reaaally curious about others' reactions.

 

[Archonsod]

The question I have about your ideas Arch, is how you would get the changes to the save files and journal file into the game?

You're not really. All you're doing is using a fairly simple search and replace string to read the attribute values from an export file and copy them into the NPC lord entries in the python file, then recompile the module. When the player starts the game all of the NPC lords would have been replaced with NPC versions of other people's characters.

The journal you only want to pull out the names of lords and who defeated them, it's just easier to do from a .txt

dont mean to be rude arch but how can you compare a 40k mod to a mp mod??

They're both mods would be a good start. Bear in mind 40K was held to be a stupid idea because you couldn't do automatic weapons or artillery ...

 

[waraelm]

that a good point. but i think the reason why peopel are desputing this is beacuse the person whos starting this doesnt know how to do it and people are getting the feeling that hes got his head in the clouds and is trying to look smart, but that none of my bussiness, im just commenting on maybe why people are upset.

 

[GMachine]

I bet the Chinese have already done this....

 

[G36E]

I bet the Chinese have already done this....

Oh please, we're not that innovative yet, give use another minute or so.

Yes, I knew you were being sarcastic.

 

[ttsec]

The chinese probably have done it already. I am not being sarcastic. I used to work in a Chinese software and hardware company, and you have no idea the shadyness and hacken-cracken that goes on in the background. I find it quite hilarious sometimes when I go to some shady Western sites where people are trying to hacken-crack some stuff, and the Chinese have already done it ages ago.

Chinese computer engineering is so advanced, during a war against the Far East, the Chinese are capable of instant information black-out of the entire Far East Asia area, meaning the U.S. will loose most of their high-tech intel advantage.

I3asu != Rongar, which makes all the difference.  The reason why this thread has recieved many negative support is because of I3asu's poor promotion techniques. When I first started reading this thread, I was honestly on the side of the OP, until I got around page 3 or 4, where I3asu's best defense was "I go to an elite university studying neuroscience"  This showed me that he was clueless as to the requirements for success in making this mod, and that turned me to the other side.

Disclaimer: I do not endorse hacken-cracking or illegal distribution of software, hardware, or counterfeit derivatives thereof.

 

[GMachine]

i wasn't

 

[M@ster-$]

OMG!

 

[G36E]

i wasn't

Oh well, I'll go ask.

 

[waraelm]

the chinnse being more warfare tehcincally advanced then the us, idont see that happing the americans have the most technicaly advanced army in the world, beacuse area 51s were they test there new toys and china doesnt have an area 51. its the perfect cover up isnt saying somthings an alien spaceship when its like a new human fighter plane.

 

[ttsec]

the chinnse being more warfare tehcincally advanced then the us, idont see that happing the americans have the most technicaly advanced army in the world, beacuse area 51s were they test there new toys and china doesnt have an area 51. its the perfect cover up isnt saying somthings an alien spaceship when its like a new human fighter plane.

The Chinese are better at keeping secrets too. Area 51 is not suppose to be public knowledge, and still officially doesn't exist. If the Chinese have an Area 51 equivalent, you wouldn't know about it unless you're on the inside, and if so, you are probably purposefully spreading false information to decieve Westerners. 

The Chinese are focusing more on new-age warefare methods through information technology and biowarfare. For them, this is a smart choice, because it requires less overhead than building big bombs / rockets and caters better to the Chinese mode-of-thinking that tends to develop the top grade bio, electrical, and computer engineers and conforms well to their school of warfare that focus on guerilla tactics.

Never underestimate the enemy. You say Americans have the most technically advanced military, but that is only using information that you have access too and influenced by the Western schools of thought that put greater weight on firepower-heavy doctrines. In the areas of electronic warfare, I'd say the Chinese are way ahead, and probably in biowarfare also. If you put too much confidence in your own Army, your military and weapons research will become complacent, and that is not a good thing.

The Americans do however have the Stargate program and alien technologies therefrom, and that will be the deciding factor in the next world war.

But, this is going off topic.

 

[waraelm]

you chinsse?? look im british and were not as good as americans. trust me the americans have space fighter laser guns and robots and most of that stuff is common knowledge but there alawys improving it and at my school histroys on ww1 and germany not wesetern proganda lies.

 

[ttsec]

you chinsse??

No, but I am Chinese.

I am also an American citizen and currently work and live in the U.S., in close association with overseas partners in China and Taiwan.

Before I went into the private tech. industry, I was USAF. I suffered some physical injuries that ended my military career.

look im british and were not as good as americans. trust me the americans have space fighter laser guns and robots and most of that stuff is common knowledge but there alawys improving it and at my school histroys on ww1 and germany not wesetern proganda lies.

All history is propaganda. It doesn't have to be a lie to be propaganda.

 

[waraelm]

history  is not proganda history tells us are past and are mistakes and how are anscestors fougth and died for no good reason, only in a few cases.

 

[grailknighthero]

The question I have about your ideas Arch, is how you would get the changes to the save files and journal file into the game?

You're not really. All you're doing is using a fairly simple search and replace string to read the attribute values from an export file and copy them into the NPC lord entries in the python file, then recompile the module. When the player starts the game all of the NPC lords would have been replaced with NPC versions of other people's characters.

The journal you only want to pull out the names of lords and who defeated them, it's just easier to do from a .txt

dont mean to be rude arch but how can you compare a 40k mod to a mp mod??

They're both mods would be a good start. Bear in mind 40K was held to be a stupid idea because you couldn't do automatic weapons or artillery ...

I should have reread your post.  I think I was confusing and combining a bunch of posts together.