Multiplayer Mod Team Recruitment

[Eagle114th]

If these modder team that share all of their basic C++, management (for managing the work and team communication), and other skills and find many alternative way around the great work then it is possible even if it is small possible.  As long they think of no limits, think of many alternative solution to the problem.  It may take a very long time, but it looked to me like these team really want to experience this kind of thing which is why I said, let them be.

The mod will require mor than basic C++, management, and you don't even specify what the "other skills" are so they might as well not exist.

With only basic C++, management, and non-existent "other skills", the mod cannot be made.

You cannot produce diamond out of thin air no matter how hard you try. That is IMPOSSIBLE!  There are NO ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS to produce diamond out of thin air. However, if you build a high-pressure machine thingy out of elementary small parts, and those parts from more basic parts, you can make a diamond making machine.

You also failed to realize of 'what if' alternatives of what these modder team may do.  I'll start with 'what if' here.  What if one of them start researching and developing skills that are required for this for length development?  Or what if this team also found other member that have greater skills in coding?  Don't underestimate the human capacity to find alternative way to the problems if one of these truly desire to achieve the goals, and that is why NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!


Eagle out...

 

[lumikant]

Hello, and welcome to my post. If you are reading this post, you are either A) a person who wants M&B to have multiplayer, or B) some one who thinks I am making a post about multiplayer and how much I want it.

This post is aimed towards the A-people, to help the B-people.

Please, consider the following.

Multiplayer will NOT be implemented in to this game, the only real possibility for M&B to have multiplayer is M&B2. Try NOT to make more posts suggesting multiplayer. These posts clutter up the suggestion board, and are annoying to the people who have to scroll to find a topic that they've been posting on.

NOBODY likes to login to the forums, go to the suggestions board, and find 10 new topics about multiplayer that they need to scroll through to find the topic they posted on yesterday.

All new members to the forums, please try to NOT make new suggestions about multiplayer, unless you have discovered, and are willing to reveal to us, a simple way to implement multiplayer. You would also need to inform Armagan, find a good server to host M&B on, etc. etc. So, unless you are willing to do the above, do NOT suggest multiplayer.

That's why this gets such a negative response. Look at the date on that post. We know its not going to happen, and we're tired of people saying "I HAEV A CRAK TEAM OF PPL WHO KNOW CODERZ."

 

[ttsec]

You also failed to realize of 'what if' alternatives of what these modder team may do.  I'll start with 'what if' here.  What if one of them start researching and developing skills that are required for this for length development?  Or what if this team also found other member that have greater skills in coding? 

Those "what if" solutions are not alternative solutions, they are the only solutions. That is why I've been trying to tell the OP maybe it's time to change his major / career.  That is why I suggest him to find a lawyer.  ('cause your'e gonna need not only coding skills, but legal skills for this mod) And each of those things are small steps, not big ones.

Everything is possible under the right conditions.

Everything is impossible under the wrong conditions.

 

[Eagle114th]

You also failed to realize of 'what if' alternatives of what these modder team may do.  I'll start with 'what if' here.  What if one of them start researching and developing skills that are required for this for length development?  Or what if this team also found other member that have greater skills in coding? 

Those "what if" solutions are not alternative solutions, they are the only solutions. That is why I've been trying to tell the OP maybe it's time to change his major / career.  That is why I suggest them to find a lawyer. And each of those things are small steps, not big ones.

Everything is possible under the right conditions.

Everything is impossible under the wrong conditions.

Once again, you have not everthought outside of boxes?  NOTHING is impossible and yes these 'what if' are alternative solution because like I said, we dont know what these modder teams are thinking or doing right now.  So that is why I developed 'what if' statement to guess what these team are thinking or doing now.  Even if condition are wrong, the impossible can be turned into possible viewing any alternative way and try.

Hello, and welcome to my post. If you are reading this post, you are either A) a person who wants M&B to have multiplayer, or B) some one who thinks I am making a post about multiplayer and how much I want it.

This post is aimed towards the A-people, to help the B-people.

Please, consider the following.

Multiplayer will NOT be implemented in to this game, the only real possibility for M&B to have multiplayer is M&B2. Try NOT to make more posts suggesting multiplayer. These posts clutter up the suggestion board, and are annoying to the people who have to scroll to find a topic that they've been posting on.

NOBODY likes to login to the forums, go to the suggestions board, and find 10 new topics about multiplayer that they need to scroll through to find the topic they posted on yesterday.

All new members to the forums, please try to NOT make new suggestions about multiplayer, unless you have discovered, and are willing to reveal to us, a simple way to implement multiplayer. You would also need to inform Armagan, find a good server to host M&B on, etc. etc. So, unless you are willing to do the above, do NOT suggest multiplayer.

That's why this gets such a negative response. Look at the date on that post. We know its not going to happen, and we're tired of people saying "I HAEV A CRAK TEAM OF PPL WHO KNOW CODERZ."

This is already said THOUSAND of time already that these modder really want to try and see if they can achieve it or not in a very diffcult way.  So let them be.  Even Arkinnian, whom represents the MP mods have replied saying they made up their mind about this.  So why bother posting your negative, insulting posts here.


Eagle out...

 

[ttsec]

Once again, you have never thought outside of boxes itself.  NOTHING is impossible and yes these 'what if' are alternative solution because like I said, we dont know what these modder teams are thinking or doing right now.  So that is why I developed 'what if' statement to guess what these team are thinking or doing now.  Even if condition are wrong, the impossible can be turned into possible viewing any alternative way and try.

Just because they may be thinking something else, that doesn't make it a solution, hence it's not an alternative solution. It can only be a solution if is solves the problem. (see def. of solution in the dictionary)

So far, the only possible solution suggest on this thread is reverse engineering, memory hacking, binary editing, and some legal gymnastics. Therefore, that is the primary solution. There has been no other solutions mentioned. The OP has failed to state his plans. 

An alternative solution implies there is a primary solution, but so far, that solution I mentioned is the only one stated, hence it is primary, and all other solutions are alternative.

The fact that we don't know what they are thinking or doing is part of the problem. They have not stated any solution, much less an alternative one.

 

[Eagle114th]

Once again, you have never thought outside of boxes itself.  NOTHING is impossible and yes these 'what if' are alternative solution because like I said, we dont know what these modder teams are thinking or doing right now.  So that is why I developed 'what if' statement to guess what these team are thinking or doing now.  Even if condition are wrong, the impossible can be turned into possible viewing any alternative way and try.

Just because they may be thinking something else, that doesn't make it a solution, hence it's not an alternative solution. It can only be a solution if is solves the problem. (see def. of solution in the dictionary)

So far, the only possible solution suggest on this thread is reverse engineering, memory hacking, binary editing, and some legal gymnastics. Therefore, that is the primary solution. There has been no other solutions mentioned. The OP has failed to state his plans. 

An alternative solution implies there is a primary solution, but so far, that solution I mentioned is the only one stated, hence it is primary, and all other solutions are alternative.

The fact that we don't know what they are thinking or doing is part of the problem. They have not stated any solution, much less an alternative one.

Alternative solutions is where people think and TRY it.  Its whole different than when someone just sit and 'think' and bam its alternative solution.  These team have already stated in this forum that they intend to do it legally and would talk with Armagan about it while they would progress the MP mod if they ever success on doing it.  For the last time, just drop this whole thing and let the modder to DO what they envisioned modding MP for Mount and Blade, it is THEIR choice to try and experience the journey of these modding.


Eagle out...

 

[Alec{zacool}]

I agree with Eagle114th,


If they want to try and make a multiplayer mod, let them.

It's not like it's your life wasted.

It would actually be good if they could get it working properly, AND have it legal.

 

[l3asu]

So after much flaming on my post I'm back.

After discussing with one of the coders a friend who is not on this forum. Our first goal will be to try to establish an arena setting where two people are able to connect. That maybe all we can get, possibly add more people if we can get at all. The main issue with skirmishes is the npc interaction, if we could get a connection in the first place.

We are still looking for people, if you have posted interest and I haven't talked to you please repost.

I will be creating a mod page soon so we can end this post and focus on a proactive discussion.

 

[Eagle114th]

So after much flaming on my post I'm back.

After discussing with one of the coders a friend who is not on this forum. Our first goal will be to try to establish an arena setting where two people are able to connect. That maybe all we can get, possibly add more people if we can get at all. The main issue with skirmishes is the npc interaction, if we could get a connection in the first place.

We are still looking for people, if you have posted interest and I haven't talked to you please repost.

I will be creating a mod page soon so we can end this post and focus on a proactive discussion.

Excellent, I look foward to the progress on what your modding team have developed so far.  I know it wont be easy for your team, but you have the supports from us whom are intruged by this.  I wish your team a success creating MP mod for Mount and Blade in legal way.  No matter what, NEVER give up if you and ur team wish to see this being successful.

(thumb up)




Eagle out...

 

[Fujiwara]

Why hasn't this thread been locked yet?

 

[Shadowclaimer]

If you are here to tell them to stop trying, get out of the thread.

Let them try, let them fail, but for heaven's sake let them try and (if you believe so) let them fail at their own expense, it doesn't bother any of you at all if they are trying to get something done around here for once.

I'd rather see a thousand tried and failed projects than everyone just saying "Shut up not possible, GTFO my boards.", because even if they don't pull it off in the end, we might actually learn something valuable from it.

So please, just get out of the threat and stop flaming it up if you have nothing to say of value. Its tiring the crap out of me the condition these boards are slipping into.

 

[Elenmmare]

Nuclear Launch Detected. Ah, another bloody battleground...


Start out small, all I can say.

 

[Eagle114th]

If you are here to tell them to stop trying, get out of the thread.

Let them try, let them fail, but for heaven's sake let them try and (if you believe so) let them fail at their own expense, it doesn't bother any of you at all if they are trying to get something done around here for once.

I'd rather see a thousand tried and failed projects than everyone just saying "Shut up not possible, GTFO my boards.", because even if they don't pull it off in the end, we might actually learn something valuable from it.

So please, just get out of the threat and stop flaming it up if you have nothing to say of value. Its tiring the crap out of me the condition these boards are slipping into.

I am very glad to know that there are other who see the simliar view as I do which is what I have been trying to tell others in this thread.  I thank you for posting this post and you are one of open-minded person whom are willing to see how this project would progress and are auxious to see if this community would learn something from this and carry it with them, even if team success or not.  I do personally hope this team have a successful result from it their progress.


Eagle out...

 

[Night Ninja]

Circumventing the copy protection would require you to flout multiple laws and to take a dump on the T&C that you agreed to when you installed the game.

@ Eagle114th: Good job. You're encouraging them to do something that is blatantly illegal by providing advice and support. Aiding and abetting ftw!

 

[Eagle114th]

Circumventing the copy protection would require you to flout multiple laws and to take a dump on the T&C that you agreed to when you installed the game.

@ Eagle114th: Good job. You're encouraging them to do something that is blatantly illegal by providing advice and support. Aiding and abetting ftw!

You have NOT read the whole goddamned thread.  First at all, these team intend to do this in legal way.  Secondly, as they progress through this, they wil be talking with Armagan over this.  Its not wise to assume thing on your own without looking through this thread.


Eagle out...

 

[SPD_Phoenix]

After discussing with one of the coders a friend who is not on this forum. Our first goal will be to try to establish an arena setting where two people are able to connect. That maybe all we can get, possibly add more people if we can get at all. The main issue with skirmishes is the npc interaction, if we could get a connection in the first place.

It's the first step in the right direction.

If you can find a way to allow 2 human controled entries on a scene/map. Then 2 sets of control keys. Thus, give you a "hot seat" style game. Then you can find a way to share between 2 direct connect PCs or LAN. That's the closest thing to MP I could imagine.

Good luck.

 

[Night Ninja]

@ Eagle 114th:

These people have no credentials and results, and from the way things are going, this 'mod' will fade into oblivion like all the other attempts. We've got a mod 'leader' who claims that his speciality is in 'management', no actual coders of note, and a few rabid defenders. In addition, many notable modders have already come up and said 'It can't be done', and laid out a whole list of reasons.

You think that Armagan would simply allow this sorry lot to do whatever they want with his game? You insult his intelligence. I certainly hope that someone will be able to convert M&B to have a rudimentary form of MP, but if you're expecting people to invest their hopes in this lot, you need to have your head checked.

 

[Eagle114th]

@ Eagle 114th:

These people have no credentials and results, and from the way things are going, this 'mod' will fade into oblivion like all the other attempts. We've got a mod 'leader' who claims that his speciality is in 'management', no actual coders of note, and a few rabid defenders. In addition, many notable modders have already come up and said 'It can't be done', and laid out a whole list of reasons.

You think that Armagan would simply allow this sorry lot to do whatever they want with his game? You insult his intelligence. I certainly hope that someone will be able to convert M&B to have a rudimentary form of MP, but if you're expecting people to invest their hopes in this lot, you need to have your head checked.

"sigh"

You really never read the whole thread dont you.  You will only bring up the same old negative that ttsec and other have bought up which was a waste of posts in this thread.  You are 'beating the old horse'.  I will have to say this from all over again!

You DONT know whom these people are yet and you just judge them by just a cover which is a fool thing to do.  Secondly, these team have showed that they already have began the progress.  It also looked like the leader of mod team is working with team whom shares the different skills.

And now, You dont even know what will be outcome of this mod nor we do.  These team made the choice to experience the very diffcult journey of modding.  They made up their mind to try something that have never been done before.  They decided to take a big, diffcult steps toward modding the Mount and Blade that would add MP features to it.  They already know the great odds or the chance of successing are very small and yet they wish to try.

I also am going to quote ShadowClaimer which also support my statement above:

"If you are here to tell them to stop trying, get out of the thread.

Let them try, let them fail, but for heaven's sake let them try and (if you believe so) let them fail at their own expense, it doesn't bother any of you at all if they are trying to get something done around here for once.

I'd rather see a thousand tried and failed projects than everyone just saying "Shut up not possible, GTFO my boards.", because even if they don't pull it off in the end, we might actually learn something valuable from it.

So please, just get out of the threat and stop flaming it up if you have nothing to say of value. Its tiring the crap out of me the condition these boards are slipping into. "

However, in case, if you didnt know, Armagan already have several features in Mount and Blade that came directly from mods.  Armagan have been open-minded with the mods as I can tell.  If this mod is becoming successful with the mod just in case and if Armagan realize that it add the MP element ot the mount and blade which would save dev. team huge amount of time and energy required to add them to Mount and blade.  That is where Armagan would re-consider about supporting MP mod where it would expand the mount and blade exponentally.  But that is my guess and I dont know what would really happen if MP mod ever success in the progress of developing MP mod for Mount and Blade.

At the other hand, these MP modder team already acknowleged that there is also big chance they'll fail, but again they made the choice to experience this diffcult path of modding, we should respect their wishes.  Finally, some of your posts have showed that you also insulted me in this thread which is also not nice thing to do.  But I am willing to put this past us, if you are willing to agree to drop this and leave this thread if you intend to only bring the wasteful negative or insults posts here. 

Thank you very much.


Eagle out...

 

[Wilson J.A]

WOW !!
This is one of the most hostile forum environment that i've seen  . So many flamers here... is this the way forum members always treat people ?
I don't think the OP deserve this kind of treatment. He state his opinion and idea nicely, and yet what he's got are flames, jeers and ridicule...
This is no way to treat your own members people.....Just chill out okay ? Let him and the team member try it. If they can't pull it's too bad, but no one is being harmed. If the project succed then good for us.
For the OP and team members of this project good luck, i hope you all succed. And sorry for the misspelling and grammar mistakes

 

[Night Ninja]

Please quote the the posts where you think you were insulted. The worst I said was 'if you're expecting people to invest their hopes in this lot, you need to have your head checked', and that qualifies as an insult only by the standards of the most prickly of people.

Also, what makes you think that your posts aren't a 'waste of space'? Many here have stated the difficulty involved in circumventing the copy protection in M&B and the legal issues involved. In addition, the 'modders' working on this project have displayed no credentials, experience or skills.

You've chosen to ignore all of that and just keep repeating 'Let them try, and if they fail, they'll have learned something.' Thanks for that bit of bit of motivational poster gunk, genius. Let's learn something by doing it, when common sense would have given you the answer! Woo, let's all jump off cliffs to learn that 500 foot drops are often fatal! This isn't the bloody Discworld, where you succeed automatically when you have a million-to-one odds.