Multiplayer Mod Team Recruitment

[Jubal]

Shut up gkh, you're one of the most talented scripters for battlefield stuff the community has, I'd say you and Mirathei are our two best that I know of. 

 

[Eagle114th]

Sure, and what fisheye said.  You and others are just upset because you want a MP mod and we discourage it.

I just don't give a **** if he tries or does not try, Neither should you.

Repercussions will happen to him.



But I have other things to do then sit here and make over 10 pages of stupid ****.

Its not necessary, Just let the guy do what he wants.

And if there was a multiplayer I wouldn't play it, Unless it was the actual full game in multiplayer..  Not just a quick battle.

first line, why not?
third line, I don't cause fall break has just ended and I am avoiding hw
fourth line who cares?  I can't stop the guy from trying, but I can attempt to dissuade him.  Anyway, it is funny to watch eagle defend this when he has no idea of what he is talking about.  His hats off, thumbs up, and GO FOR IT comments are funny.
fifth line, I would, but I know it isn't possible and still have it be legal.

to all you noobs who think grail doesnt have any experince he is head of one of the warhammer mods which are extremly good and well codded.

That does not mean anything and it is not extremely good and well codded lol.  When the source is released people will see that.

@ Miclee

Oh I do HAVE an idea of what I am talking about, I am supporting whoever want to start impossible thing and discover thing on their own on any kind of projects.  I also came into this thread si because I dont like the way most of community is being negative and slapping on the face of these modder team.  And even if you said 'illegal', these team dont intend to do thing in illegal way.  They even stated that they would talk with Armagan (spelling?) whom is the leader of dev team for Mount and Blade.  If Armagan want these team to stop, they would.  Otherwise if Armagan support them which it save the big amount time of dev. team having to mod in MP, thats a different story.


Eagle out...

 

[grailknighthero]

Shut up gkh, you're one of the most talented scripters for battlefield stuff the community has, I'd say you and Mirathei are our two best that I know of. 

No, really I'm not.  I just have a few different ideas that people haven't tried before and once I get my ideas out there will probably be better versions of my code released.  Highlander, Mirathei, and some others are way above me.  I couldn't have done anything without Mirathei and NCrawler and Maw has made things 1000x easier for me.

Anyway, I think Ill try to stop commenting because I could probably receive a warning for my behavior and there is no point as eagle just doens't quit.

 

[Dindi]

slapping on the face of these modder team

Thats my problem with this, as far as I know the modders in this "team" are newbies, with from what ive seen no modding talent. If this project was being made by say Yoshiboy and Mirathei I would fully support it.

The problem with this is that those attempting to make the mod are newbies.

 

[grailknighthero]

slapping on the face of these modder team

Thats my problem with this, as far as I know the modders in this "team" are newbies, with from what ive seen no modding talent. If this project was being made by say Yoshiboy and Mirathei I would fully support it.

The problem with this is that those attempting to make the mod are newbies.

Yep, me too.

 

[Eagle114th]

slapping on the face of these modder team

Thats my problem with this, as far as I know the modders in this "team" are newbies, with from what ive seen no modding talent. If this project was being made by say Yoshiboy and Mirathei I would fully support it.

The problem with this is that those attempting to make the mod are newbies.

But dont forget how they got to become great modder in first place.  All of them were newbie in the past.  Like I said, modder dont grow on trees.  In order, to evolve into great modder, each of modder go through their own lessons to self-expand their modding skills which is why you people should leave them alone and let them do what they feel like doing.  Remember, not everyone learn how to mod or code the same way as any you do.  Some modder go through easy paths while other go through hard paths, and it is up to them after they made up their mind on it.


Eagle out...

 

[ttsec]

But dont forget how they got there in first place.  All of them were newbie back there.  Like I said, modder dont grow on trees.

And you gotta craw before you can walk, and walk before you can run, and run before you can sprint. Reverse engineering and memory hacking is like sprinting.

If you try to sprint before you can walk, you will fall on your face and maybe get brain damage.

You should not encourage people to hurt themselves. It's not nice.

 

[Eagle114th]

But dont forget how they got there in first place.  All of them were newbie back there.  Like I said, modder dont grow on trees.

And you gotta craw before you can walk, and walk before you can run, and run before you can sprint. Reverse engineering and memory hacking is like sprinting.

If you try to sprint before you can walk, you will fall on your face and maybe get brain damage.

You should not encourage people to hurt themselves. It's not nice.

And yet in the history, some of people have taken risky big step and succeed still.  So you shouldn't always judge by how people do thing in small or big step a time if they feel like doing so.  For example, the president Lincoln (please correct me if I am wrong), was not experienced with the politic and yet he was successful one before his life ended tragically.

Even non-experienced people have the natural abilities to adapt the environment that are not familiar to them real quickly, which is why I am very interesting to see how these modder team have these kind of ability or not.  I don't judge someone why the level of their skills because of what I said about someone being able to self-adapt of any foreign environment.  Besides these team are working together which helps more.  Teamwork = better than soloing, but what also interest me is that I am waiting to see if these team also have the ability to self-adapt the very diffcult, unfriendly environment.


Eagle out...

 

[ttsec]

And yet in the history, some of people have taken risky big step and succeed still.  So you shouldn't always judge by how people do thing in small or big step a time if they feel like doing so.  For example, the president Lincoln (please correct me if I am wrong), was not experienced with the politic and yet he was successful one before his life ended tragically.

No one in history. I mean no one. Has ever been able to achieve great things without bulding from small things little by little. Show me anyone in history that you claim has suceeded using your so-called "big step" concept, and I can gaurantee you that there's a lot of preparation and growth in the background you just don't see.

What you say about Lincoln is completely not true.  Lincoln spent hours in his youth and early adulthood studying law, politics, language, and developing himself. He then became a state level representative, then moved on to U.S. congress, then move on to president. He didn't jump into president out of nowhere.

...which is why I am very interesting to see how these modder team have these kind of ability or not. 

So you would encourage people to do things that will be detrimental to themselves and their life (wasted time, energy, effort, emotional pains, etc...) just for your own amusement? You are a sick man.

 

[Eagle114th]

And yet in the history, some of people have taken risky big step and succeed still.  So you shouldn't always judge by how people do thing in small or big step a time if they feel like doing so.  For example, the president Lincoln (please correct me if I am wrong), was not experienced with the politic and yet he was successful one before his life ended tragically.

No one in history. I mean no one. Has ever been able to achieve great things without bulding from small things little by little. Show me anyone in history that you claim has suceeded using your so-called "big step" concept, and I can gaurantee you that there's a lot of preparation and growth in the background you just don't see.

What you say about Lincoln is completely not true.  Lincoln spent hours in his youth and early adulthood studying law, politics, language, and developing himself. He then became a state level representative, then moved on to U.S. congress, then move on to president. He didn't jump into president out of nowhere.

...which is why I am very interesting to see how these modder team have these kind of ability or not. 

So you would encourage people to do things that will be detrimental to themselves and their life (wasted time, energy, effort, emotional pains, etc...) just for your own amusement? You are a sick man.

HEY FOR MY AMUSEMENT?!?! What the HELL are you accusing me of?  You are making thing dramatic and make up thing by YOURSELF which upsets me greatly!

I would not find it amusing to see people hurt by working hard.  Let me tell you something and you better shut your traps because I find your statement to be very insulting to me!

In my life, I have been deaf with limited vision through my life and I have been discriminated MANY times.  I have been declined to be given education level and yet I surpassed it in difficult way.  When I fought HARD in my life and finally got education level, I achieved studying grades in single year, in order, to get to next grade in big step which was very hard work.  But I was successful!  Then I went to Jr. high school then high school in much higher steps after my difficult big step as young boy when I struggled to get high level education.

YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT and you never experienced this before as I can tell!  You accused me of finding it amusing when people go through hard work and determination to success something BIG.  Trashing other's dream and attempting to do the impossible is SICK thing to do.

And now I have achieved graduating from high school and I am at my 7th years in university and is studying computer science where I will be a computer game developer.  THAT is why I said, every of us take the steps differently.  One of us take small steps, baby step a time.  Other take big step a  time because each of us adapt the foreign environment differently!

NO GOAL is easy to reach of course, but life is about hard work because it teach us many things where people reach to their goals in different ways.  That is how I learned so many of different lessons, especially that it is never impossible to do anything in your life.  Its about the willing to find the answer around the problem when thinking outside of boxes.  If I wasn't like this, I would not be the way I am in the first place.  That is WHY I came in when people discriminated, insulted, and bought so many of negative into this forum in stupid way.

However, that is why I always realized that, if someone want to achieve the impossible, so much energy HAD to be poured into it period.  NO GOAL is ever easy, and it is never a waste of time to pour energy into something that anyone feel like wanting to or really wanted to for sake of reaching their own goals.  A person like you are a sick person for accussing me when you dont know anyone.  Assuming and accussing of someone whom you think one of most fool thing u can do.  I alway refuse to assume thing on my own and I alway try to get know anyone first then start talking about the point with someone instead of assuming thing on my own.

I apology to everyone for my explosive of outrage but this person just stepped my toe and crossed red line.


Eagle out...

 

[ttsec]

You just proved my point. You had to work hard, grinding it out, step by step, little by little, improving yourself better and better, and now you're in college studying computer science and eventually working to be a software developer. You did not just come out of nowhere and all of a sudden say you're gonna be reverse engineering code, etc...  I'm glad you understand my point now.

 

[EasyCo506]

Wait, you still had to take small steps to get to where you are now, so that really didn't prove anything.

I also agree that starting with something this big (which is probably not possible) isn't very smart. Especially for new modders. Smartest thing would be to learn more about the module system, make some small mods, and then maybe a big mod. I didn't say multiplayer because by the time they learn about the module system, and get past their first mod, they will probably see how pointless it would be to try.

 

[SPD_Phoenix]

Thats my problem with this, as far as I know the modders in this "team" are newbies, with from what ive seen no modding talent. If this project was being made by say Yoshiboy and Mirathei I would fully support it.

The problem with this is that those attempting to make the mod are newbies.

I don't have any problem with newbies proposing big ideas/project. They may be newbies here, but not where else. However, if I'm hiring a new project manager/team leader, I do want to look at the resume and relevant work experiences. I certainly won't hire a person with no software development experience to manage my software project.

My old company has a tittle called SME (Subject Matter Expert). Only these guys can report bugs/issues, odd behaviour, performance issue of the software (ERP) and only these can propose new development/function in their area of expertise. Part of their job is to gather the reports and ideas, check them out and send true bugs/relevant ideas  up for review. This tittle was created after the IT dept was flooded with bug/performance reports and new feature/function requests. May be irrelevant to this thread, but it shows why "newbies control" sometimes necessary and probably why newbies often run into a brick wall with their ideas.

 

[Eagle114th]

You just proved my point. You had to work hard, grinding it out, step by step, little by little, improving yourself better and better, and now you're in college studying computer science and eventually working to be a software developer. You did not just come out of nowhere and all of a sudden say you're gonna be reverse engineering code, etc...  I'm glad you understand my point now.

I feel ilke I really want to punch your face really hard instead of slapping your face virtually.

You assumed thing on your own again.  I had to take a BIG step early in my life which was most diffcult thing I ever had to done.  When i was declined getting a high education and by the time I finally get education, I entered as 4th grade where my knowledge and reading skills was only 1st grade.  I had to learn everything at once and give up my childhood to learn learn 1st to 4th in single years instead of four years of small steps.  That is why I have developed the ability to self-adapt to diffcult envoriment of my own when I went on a big step to bigger thing earlier in my life.  The point of this is that I took bigger step than alot of kid would do in their childhood.  Because of the ability to self-adapt in any diffcult envoriment of my own when I took big step, It lead me into bigger thing myself.  That is why it is alway unwise to state that every of us take tiny step a time becasue each of us are different where we take different measure of steps we take ourselve.  More you self-assume thing about me, more you are getting on my nerve.


Eagle out...

 

[ttsec]

I feel ilke I really want to punch your face really hard instead of slapping your face virtually.

You assumed thing on your own again.  I had to take a BIG step ealry in my life which was most diffcult thing I ever had to done.  When i was declined getting a high education and by the time I finally get education, I entered as 4th grade where my knowledge and reading skills was only 1st grade.  I had to learn everything at once and give up my childhood to learn learn 1st to 4th in single years instead of four years of small steps.  That is why I have developed the ability to self-adapt to diffcult envoriment of my own when I went on a big step to bigger thing earlier in my life.  More you self-assume thing about me, more you are getting on my nerve.


Eagle out...

That single year had 365 days, and each of those days had 24 hours, and each of those hours had 60 minutes. So, no, you did not take one big step, you took many little steps.

 

[Eagle114th]

I feel ilke I really want to punch your face really hard instead of slapping your face virtually.

You assumed thing on your own again.  I had to take a BIG step ealry in my life which was most diffcult thing I ever had to done.  When i was declined getting a high education and by the time I finally get education, I entered as 4th grade where my knowledge and reading skills was only 1st grade.  I had to learn everything at once and give up my childhood to learn learn 1st to 4th in single years instead of four years of small steps.  That is why I have developed the ability to self-adapt to diffcult envoriment of my own when I went on a big step to bigger thing earlier in my life.  More you self-assume thing about me, more you are getting on my nerve.


Eagle out...

That single year had 365 days, and each of those days had 24 hours, and each of those hours had 60 minutes. So, no, you did not take one big step, you took many little steps.

That is a most stupid thing I ever heard.  The measure of steps are not taken by the time but the amount of education that children get through amount of times.  Small steps is when you learn the level of 1st year in year one, 2nd grade in second year.  I learned 1st to 4th grade in one year which is 'BIG STEP' unlike many of other average children.  First you stepped on my toe, crossed my line red, and now you try to act 'smart ass' against me, do yourself a favor... Stop making yourself even more foolish and drop this thing so people can get back to subject and start posting useful feedback about this MP mod instead of accusing me of something.  My patience is growing thinner each time I press keys on my keyboard.


Eagle out...

 

[ttsec]

I am telling you, it is not even physically possible to achieve personal development in a big step format. The human mind doesn't operate in a manner than allows instantaenous transfer and storage of a large amount of data.  Until the OP realizes this, he cannot achieve the big mod he wants, because no matter how many times he tries to do big steps over and over, he will only stumble. He must realize that he has to take small steps. That is why I recommended the OP to change his major if he's really interested in computer science, because neuroscience doesn't help you develop software. In that case, changing his major would be the first small step.

Ok, let me try to give you an example:

Lets say you are trying to learn LISP. So you get this book about LISP. You cannot just stare at the cover of the book and suddenly know LISP and start programming big stuff in LISP. No, you have to read the book little by little until you can start progrimming stuff in LISP.

Ok, so lets talk about his MP mod. This MP mod will require memory hacking, binary editing, reverse engineering, etc... The OP only knows basic C++ and some neuroscience, with that knowledge, he cannot suddenly start doing memory hacking, binary editing, reverse engineering, and so he cannot start making the MP mod. If he wants to pursue this goal, he has to deticate a lot of time and energy and take it one small step at a time.

 

[Eagle114th]

I am telling you, it is not even physically possible to achieve personal development in a big step format. The human mind doesn't operate in a manner than allows instantaenous transfer and storage of a large amount of data.  Until, you, and the OP realizes this, they cannot achieve anything big, because no matter how many times they try to do big steps over and over, they will only stumble. They must realize that they have to take small steps. That is why I recommended the OP to change his major if he's really interested in computer science, because neuroscience doesn't help you develop software. In that case, changing his major would be the first small step.

Let me put this way... If you thought of impossible and you are limited to what you can do, you also are only limiting yourself.  You not even thinking outside of boxes that would lead into many possibly alternative answers around to it, even if it is very lengthy.

If these modder team that share all of their basic C++, management (for managing the work and team communication), and other skills and find many alternative way around the great work then it is possible even if it is small possible.  As long they think of no limits, think of many alternative solution to the problem.  It may take a very long time, but it looked to me like these team really want to experience this kind of thing which is why I said, let them be.

And life is alway full of challenages...  Each of us face challenages in our own way.  This modder team have said that they want to face this becuase they decided to face tihs method because they want to experience the diffcult where they would fall down, get back up then go on... where it would give them alot of experiences that will apply to their later life.  And have you ever heard of word 'hobby' ?  What if they decided to learn this as their hobby?  I can see how you are trying to force poeple taking easy paths, but you had to remember that not everyone think the same way you do.  Like for example, this modder team decided to go through hard path and find many alternative way around the problems and it will take a very long time for sure.


Eagle out...

 

[ttsec]

If these modder team that share all of their basic C++, management (for managing the work and team communication), and other skills and find many alternative way around the great work then it is possible even if it is small possible.  As long they think of no limits, think of many alternative solution to the problem.  It may take a very long time, but it looked to me like these team really want to experience this kind of thing which is why I said, let them be.

The mod will require mor than basic C++, management, and you don't even specify what the "other skills" are so they might as well not exist.

With only basic C++, management, and non-existent "other skills", the mod cannot be made.

You cannot produce diamond out of thin air no matter how hard you try. That is IMPOSSIBLE!  There are NO ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS to produce diamond out of thin air. However, if you build a high-pressure machine thingy out of elementary small parts, and those parts from more basic parts, you can make a diamond making machine.

 

[grailknighthero]

stupid pic isnt working, its elrond with a headache