Do you know a man called Hitler?Or do you remember who were living in America who now don't exist?PanzerDan86 said:By the way, did you know that more people are now killed every year in the name of Islam than were killed in the entire 300 year history of the Spanish Inquisition? Interesting food for thought.baca said:In fact, the "convert or die" policy was, throughout history, more employed by christian governments than muslim ones. There's a reason the Jizya tax is a thing. Take a look at Spain and how muslims were prosecuted there, and then look at the Levant, which was ruled by an islamic government for over a thousand years and maintained huge populations of jews and christians.PanzerDan86 said:I think that the geographic aspect, while important, is not the only consideration of whether or not Turkey can be called "European". An equally important factor would be culture/religion. All European countries share somewhat similar culture and all have a predominantly Christian history. Turkey once also shared this Christian history but ever since the rampant and violent expansion of Islam, it is no longer a Christian nation with shared western values. Many people forget that Europe has a very long history of trying to halt Islamic conquest. The Middle East was also traditionally a Christian area which was ravaged by Islamic Sharia's policy of "convert or die". The defensive nature of the crusades to take back land lost to Muslims ultimately failed and the Muslims took over both the Middle East and the Eastern Roman Empire (modern day Turkey). Since this happened so long ago, there is really no "going back" so to speak. Turkey will most likely remain an Islamic country, and thus, in my opinion anyway, it would be foolish of the EU to accept them as European. The recent "refugee" crisis in Europe only highlights this difference in cultures even more. I don't consider Muslims to be in any way "European" as many have seen with recent events. I'm American, but my wife is European and we'll be moving to Europe again soon. I sometimes fear that with the way things are going, there will no longer be a "Europe" as we know it within the next 50 years or so. Just my 2 cents
It's funny that you mention Islamic expansion as "rampant and violent", but don't look in the mirror and see Western expansion as something which was many times worse in terms of morality.
Off-topic much, looking forward to Bannerlord but worried about spaghetti AI code.
Anyway, I agree that we're going off topic here.
Anyways, saying that you agree you are going off topic but starting a deeper debate.
You make so much sense. Gratz buddy.
It will go nowhere and get the people involved muted.This is not the place here. Go somewhere else for these kind of stuff.