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Guray13

PanzerDan86 said:
baca said:
PanzerDan86 said:
I think that the geographic aspect, while important, is not the only consideration of whether or not Turkey can be called "European".  An equally important factor would be culture/religion.  All European countries share somewhat similar culture and all have a predominantly Christian history.  Turkey once also shared this Christian history but ever since the rampant and violent expansion of Islam, it is no longer a Christian nation with shared western values.  Many people forget that Europe has a very long history of trying to halt Islamic conquest. The Middle East was also traditionally a Christian area which was ravaged by Islamic Sharia's policy of "convert or die". The defensive nature of the crusades to take back land lost to Muslims ultimately failed and the Muslims took over both the Middle East and the Eastern Roman Empire (modern day Turkey). Since this happened so long ago, there is really no "going back" so to speak. Turkey will most likely remain an Islamic country, and thus, in my opinion anyway, it would be foolish of the EU to accept them as European. The recent "refugee" crisis in Europe only highlights this difference in cultures even more. I don't consider Muslims to be in any way "European" as many have seen with recent events.  I'm American, but my wife is European and we'll be moving to Europe again soon.  I sometimes fear that with the way things are going, there will no longer be a "Europe" as we know it within the next 50 years or so.  Just my 2 cents
In fact, the "convert or die" policy was, throughout history, more employed by christian governments than muslim ones. There's a reason the Jizya tax is a thing. Take a look at Spain and how muslims were prosecuted there, and then look at the Levant, which was ruled by an islamic government for over a thousand years and maintained huge populations of jews and christians.

It's funny that you mention Islamic expansion as "rampant and violent", but don't look in the mirror and see Western expansion as something which was many times worse in terms of morality.

Off-topic much, looking forward to Bannerlord but worried about spaghetti AI code.
By the way, did you know that more people are now killed every year in the name of Islam than were killed in the entire 300 year history of the Spanish Inquisition? Interesting food for thought.

Anyway, I agree that we're going off topic here.
Do you know a man called Hitler?Or do you remember who were living in America who now don't exist?

Anyways, saying that you agree you are going off topic but starting a deeper debate.
You make so much sense. Gratz buddy.
It will go nowhere and get the people involved muted.This is not the place here. Go somewhere else for these kind of stuff.
 
Guray said:
PanzerDan86 said:
baca said:
PanzerDan86 said:
I think that the geographic aspect, while important, is not the only consideration of whether or not Turkey can be called "European".  An equally important factor would be culture/religion.  All European countries share somewhat similar culture and all have a predominantly Christian history.  Turkey once also shared this Christian history but ever since the rampant and violent expansion of Islam, it is no longer a Christian nation with shared western values.  Many people forget that Europe has a very long history of trying to halt Islamic conquest. The Middle East was also traditionally a Christian area which was ravaged by Islamic Sharia's policy of "convert or die". The defensive nature of the crusades to take back land lost to Muslims ultimately failed and the Muslims took over both the Middle East and the Eastern Roman Empire (modern day Turkey). Since this happened so long ago, there is really no "going back" so to speak. Turkey will most likely remain an Islamic country, and thus, in my opinion anyway, it would be foolish of the EU to accept them as European. The recent "refugee" crisis in Europe only highlights this difference in cultures even more. I don't consider Muslims to be in any way "European" as many have seen with recent events.  I'm American, but my wife is European and we'll be moving to Europe again soon.  I sometimes fear that with the way things are going, there will no longer be a "Europe" as we know it within the next 50 years or so.  Just my 2 cents
In fact, the "convert or die" policy was, throughout history, more employed by christian governments than muslim ones. There's a reason the Jizya tax is a thing. Take a look at Spain and how muslims were prosecuted there, and then look at the Levant, which was ruled by an islamic government for over a thousand years and maintained huge populations of jews and christians.

It's funny that you mention Islamic expansion as "rampant and violent", but don't look in the mirror and see Western expansion as something which was many times worse in terms of morality.

Off-topic much, looking forward to Bannerlord but worried about spaghetti AI code.
By the way, did you know that more people are now killed every year in the name of Islam than were killed in the entire 300 year history of the Spanish Inquisition? Interesting food for thought.

Anyway, I agree that we're going off topic here.
Do you know a man called Hitler?Or do you remember who were living in America who now don't exist?

Anyways, saying that you agree you are going off topic but starting a deeper debate.
You make so much sense. Gratz buddy.
It will go nowhere and get the people involved muted.This is not the place here. Go somewhere else for these kind of stuff.

Ok so I'm not sure how you made that turn in logic.  we go from a series of (offtopic obviously) discussions regarding religious war to hitler and the overcoming of the native americans.  Neither of those two subjects had much of anything to do with spreading religion.

In fact, the vast majority of conflict in Europe had little to do with religious wars, but more dynastic in general.  While the crusades can be called religious wars (and they were), they were more interested in preserving territories than anything else and simply used religion as a motivator. 
It wasn't until the later second millennia that christianity so heavily ramped up it's violence as the catholic church began to fracture into what would eventually be the reformations, which makes sense as shaking organizations tend to grasp even tighter at their controls when things begin to slip.
The major issue between christianity and islam is that on one hand, christianity provided "absolution" to those who did bad things, "you'll be forgiven" essentially, while Islam instructs those bad things, even today.  Since in no place in the christian texts (new testament) does it instruct violence, yet often preaches the whole forgiveness topic.

It has to be remembered that while it's easy for us to look back now and lump everything together into these nice pretty movements of peoples and ideologies, it really wasn't so.  You had people seeing either themselves, their loved ones, or their ancestors murdered, tortured, sold, raped, evicted, whatever.  That caused anger and fear, and both of those emotions would inspire movements of people to resist or expel the offending (or perceived to be offending) parties.

Both sides did pretty bad things, that was the nature of the time quite frankly and we can't really compare an incredibly corrupt catholic religion to an incredibly fervent and bloodthirsty islamic sharia to a modern Christianity.  The only issue that can really be held is that islam remains largely the same fervent and bloodthirsty religion it has always been, we simply see communities being "dulled down" by being surrounded by more modern and developed societies that don't allow what the quran calls for.

In the end, it's off topic, history is awesome to look at because a dozen sets of eyes can see a dozen patterns or paths.  In the end....we have BANNERLORD.....or videos of it at least...
 

Dest45

Knight at Arms
WBVCNW
Who cares who did what in the past... That doesn't justify anything done now. What matters is the present and at the present Bannerlord matters more than anything. Know it. Understand it. Love it.
 

3THO

Recruit
Plovercrest said:
Wait, why are we getting more info on the 27th?

I would like to know aswel! What is happening the 27th? How do you know we get info on this day? :O Hope it is a Beta release date :razz:
 

ToyBoat

Sergeant
They've released other blogs and information on the 27th of September and, as humans are wont to do, some have attributed a level of significance to the date.
 

DanAngleland

Grandmaster Knight
M&BWBWF&SNW
3THO said:
What is happening the 27th? How do you know we get info on this day? :O Hope it is a Beta release date :razz:

There is no reason to expect anything on the 27th of September, I'm afraid. In 2012, 2013 (I think...) and 2014 we did receive information/screenshots on that date, but last year we didn't. It would have been a little unusual if we had, since Gamescom occurred just over a month beforehand, just as it did this year (last year was the first time Taleworlds had been to the event to promote the game). I think it is unlikely that we will get more news until November or December, if at all this year (though I still hope that they will release an early version of the game late this year)- the first blog after the Gamescom 2015 round up was in late December 2015.
 

3THO

Recruit
DanAngleland said:
3THO said:
What is happening the 27th? How do you know we get info on this day? :O Hope it is a Beta release date :razz:

There is no reason to expect anything on the 27th of September, I'm afraid. In 2012, 2013 (I think...) and 2014 we did receive information/screenshots on that date, but last year we didn't. It would have been a little unusual if we had, since Gamescom occurred just over a month beforehand, just as it did this year (last year was the first time Taleworlds had been to the event to promote the game). I think it is unlikely that we will get more news until November or December, if at all this year (though I still hope that they will release an early version of the game late this year)- the first blog after the Gamescom 2015 round up was in late December 2015.

The chance they release anything this year is really small.... This year only lasts for 2.5 more months.. probably not going to see anything this year :sad:
 

kraggrim

Marquis
WBM&BWF&SNWVC
I hope they make it easy for modellers to adapt their weapons for use in the crafting system. Just imagine the ridiculous number of parts combinations there could be after a while.
 

Guray13

kraggrim said:
I hope they make it easy for modellers to adapt their weapons for use in the crafting system. Just imagine the ridiculous number of parts combinations there could be after a while.
I can not even imagine the number of parts combination that are in the game now o_O I really wanna dive into the game and craft my very own weapons..
 

Pilum

Sergeant Knight
VCNWWBWF&S
Guray said:
kraggrim said:
I hope they make it easy for modellers to adapt their weapons for use in the crafting system. Just imagine the ridiculous number of parts combinations there could be after a while.
I can not even imagine the number of parts combination that are in the game now o_O I really wanna dive into the game and craft my very own weapons..

Me too.
My body has long been ready for this game.
 
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