Mongols

[othr]

So I found this video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9lils2Q00U&feature=related

I'd like the Mongols to look just like that!  Those guys are not only reenactors they live in the past.  A model of the insignia (the horsetail ensign, black) and the coats and headwear

 

[kuauik]

but "our mongols" are Golden Horde,these mongols from the video are from earlier period,there should be Kipchaks,Persians,Turks etc

 

[othr]

<----------- OWNED

You're a dream breaker sir.

 

[kuauik]

<----------- OWNED

You're a dream breaker sir.

sorry

 

[Tsewe]

yeah actually the Golden Horde was mainly composed of Tartars and not Mongols. Well there was some Mongols, but very few. But anyway Kauaik already told it.
I only wanted to add that we'd have to search for Tatar armors / looks for the 1257 GH.

 

[Sahran]

yeah actually the Golden Horde was mainly composed of Tartars and not Mongols. Well there was some Mongols, but very few. But anyway Kauaik already told it.
I only wanted to add that we'd have to search for Tatar armors / looks for the 1257 GH.

I agree but I'll be devil's advocate  On the one hand it is well documented how Cumanified the Golden Horde was, or how much foreign auxiliaries were used in the Ilkhanate, but on the other hand some of that impression comes from these states in the later 13th and early 14th century - right now it's been a few decades since the Mongol conquests. For instance Ian Heath records: Batu's army of 1236 in Russia: 70-100,000 Turks, 50,000 Mongols. Depictions within the Armies & enemies of the crusade booklet cite two Ilkhanate light horsemen who 'betray considerable persian influence' yet are based off a primary Islamic illustration from the very start of the 14th century.

What we could do is try and stratify the Mongol successor states (like what we've begun to with the Anatolians) where the bulk of the troops are natives (Armenians/Seljuks in Ilkhanate, Tartars which I believe were primarily Cumans in the Golden Horde) and then the Mongols form the elite core - the generic mongol horseman would be high level (If lightly equipped).  That way we could feature some more true-blue Mongols, who at this time probably would not have adopted widespread domestic fashions. Since we're talking about a Mongol dominion only about 30-40 years old, aren't we? At least for where they exist on our map, and judging from other examples (Armenia/Byzantium slowly adopting Latin fashions, Umayyads slowly adopting Iberian-Christian fashions, ect.), it might not be hard to suggest the hardcore original Mongolians would look like they did in their previous decades.

 

[Daedelus_McGee]

I just want to win the lottery so I can afford to send a bunch of Legion re-enactors out there to stand around repeating, "Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant".  If I can just get them to stop saying, "Siamo in modo da vaff**culo", it will be good enough.  Still, I think it would be some fun.

More seriously, if somebody can mod up the rolling yurt so that Golden Horde faction lords get that as their base in battle, I'm going to join that faction.  Maybe it's because I'm American I see the side that brings along an RV as the superior culture.

 

[MariusThePaladin]

More seriously, if somebody can mod up the rolling yurt so that Golden Horde faction lords get that as their base in battle, I'm going to join that faction.  Maybe it's because I'm American I see the side that brings along an RV as the superior culture.

Sorry for interupt, but.... what could a slow moving tent do in battle? 

 

[othr]

It houses the khan, you see his men are out there fighting and dying and he just sits in that yurt and drinks kumis.

 

[Skenderbe]

It houses the khan, you see his men are out there fighting and dying and he just sits in that yurt and drinks kumis.

If he's lucky enough to win the battle he might actually enjoy it

 

[Batu Khan]

yeah actually the Golden Horde was mainly composed of Tartars and not Mongols. Well there was some Mongols, but very few. But anyway Kauaik already told it.
I only wanted to add that we'd have to search for Tatar armors / looks for the 1257 GH.

I agree but I'll be devil's advocate  On the one hand it is well documented how Cumanified the Golden Horde was, or how much foreign auxiliaries were used in the Ilkhanate, but on the other hand some of that impression comes from these states in the later 13th and early 14th century - right now it's been a few decades since the Mongol conquests. For instance Ian Heath records: Batu's army of 1236 in Russia: 70-100,000 Turks, 50,000 Mongols. Depictions within the Armies & enemies of the crusade booklet cite two Ilkhanate light horsemen who 'betray considerable persian influence' yet are based off a primary Islamic illustration from the very start of the 14th century.

What we could do is try and stratify the Mongol successor states (like what we've begun to with the Anatolians) where the bulk of the troops are natives (Armenians/Seljuks in Ilkhanate, Tartars which I believe were primarily Cumans in the Golden Horde) and then the Mongols form the elite core - the generic mongol horseman would be high level (If lightly equipped).  That way we could feature some more true-blue Mongols, who at this time probably would not have adopted widespread domestic fashions. Since we're talking about a Mongol dominion only about 30-40 years old, aren't we? At least for where they exist on our map, and judging from other examples (Armenia/Byzantium slowly adopting Latin fashions, Umayyads slowly adopting Iberian-Christian fashions, ect.), it might not be hard to suggest the hardcore original Mongolians would look like they did in their previous decades.

Technically the Ilkhanate wasn't a successor state until Möngke died in 1259. In 1257 it was just a massive army made up mainly of mongols, sent straight from Mongolia to Persia in 1255. They started using foreign troops more after the empire split up, as they had no way of getting mongol reinforcements.