Money Management and Garrisons.

[sumusiko]

Lets say you have a castle or a city , how do you manage your garrison so that you always PROFIT from the city and villages and still have a decent garrison to protect yourself?

Having 100-200 Top tier troops results in 5-10k per month which pretty much cuts off all profit , having 400-500 farmers is very very cheap but also very useless so I don't know what I should do. And I also don't have enough space on my party to hold all those top tier troops unless I go on a suicide mission and capture stuff with all of them but that would leave my garrison empty

 

[KindHeretic]

Having high tier troops as garrison is a massive waste. especially when the battles are auto calc. I normally just use 100-150 low-mid tier troops, just so it's enough time for me to get over there and give the attackers a savage beating. I normally use ravenstern wardens or rangers or even d'shar warriors or veteran spearmen as they are sort of cheap and can give any enemy a run for his money. Also Pendor is rather unforgiving with rents and tariffs from fiefs, maybe it's just me but nearly all my denars come from slaves, loot, ransoms or tournaments.

 

[noosers]

If you manage your property accordingly and invest in the most useful upgrade - skilled craftsmen - you´ll make more than enough money from your fiefs to pay for a decent garrison.

 

[Zenoxious]

My recommendation would be to fill the castle with cheap archer units, something that you can fill the walls with in the event of attack.  Say 50-100 Sarleon longbow men are quite cost effective.  Then put another 100-200 cheap units like Pendor Heavy Bowman, brigands etc.

 

[zykox]

My garrison choice

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*30-40 highest tier archers (Sarleon Armored Longbowmen are a lot cheaper then RR Rangers or E Arm Crossbowmen; F Hvy Archers just suck, D Dervish Riders are too expensive because they're on horse, Dervish suck)
*20-30 highest tier frontline fighers (F Huscarls, E Legionnaires, D Bladesmen, Any KnightOrder sergeants, your choice). R Kiergard + P Man-at-arms are the cheapest, though I always feel insecure just having them around.
*50-100 medium tier archers, for extra shootiness, and if need be to assist frontline fighting. (I prefer E Crossbowmen, D Warriors are ok too).
*optional: 50-100 medium tier infantry (for your Capital or 1st/only town; to assist frontline fighting; Sarleon halbediers or F Warriors do fine)
*100-150 low tier troops (wage 3-10 denar): E levy hunter, maiden scouts/rangers, ANYONE with crossbow is good, so they're not totally useless.
Best choice: snake cult armsmen + heretic minions. super cheap, crappy, but boy do I hate those crossbows they have!
*200-400 lowest tier troops (wage 1 denar): refugees, peasant women, recruits, militia...you know the r...erh...simple subjects of your highness.
Best choice: bandits. For 1 denar, these guys are better than any recruits or other cheapymonkeys.

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Best choice for 1 denar garrison

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                                HP  AGILITY  PS  PD  Shield  1h/polearms      equipment (as far as I've seen)
Bandit                      45      8          1      1      -        75                      random 1h wpn/mace/short bow, smith apron/leather armor, nomad cap/black hood
Sarleon Militia          47      7          1      -      1        65                    random 1h wpn/spear, tabard, board shield/no shield (?), leather cap (?), fur boots
Fierdsvain Militia      49      6          1      -      -        70                    random 1h wpn & boarspear, kilt, hood/leather cap (?), leather boots
Ravenstern Militia    46      7          1      -      1        90                    random 1h wpn/spear, old shield (?), sandals (?), no headgear (?)
Empire Levy recruit  46    6            1      -        1        75                    random 1h wpn/spear, board shield, leather jacket, sandals (?), hood
Militia Recruit            45      8            1      -      -        75                    common 1h sword, tabard, sandals, chain coif

CONCLUSION: Depends entirely on the equipment. with bows: bandits, but then those bows are totally useless in siege yes?
HP-wise Fierdsvain, but Ravenstern/Sarleon/Empire get nice shields. Ravenstern has better skill, but worse shield than the other 2. Militia recruit gets good 1h-weapon + headgear but no shield and 1-2 less HP. Agi is +2, but I wonder how much diff it makes. Personally, I think spears are totally useless in siege (contrary to halberds)
Sadly,  I have no idea which of the above guys has best body armor....Fierdsvain seems to be ahead in my guess (at least the boots).
So, F_Militia gets my thumbs up, Militia recruit next, because they always get a sword and good head prot.

Ok, in any case someone DIDN'T know...peasant women are the worst. As they are, they should cost 0.5 denars, but game-wise that's impossible unfortunately.

Most ppl don't care about 1 denar troops, but I do. If it ever comes to it, 10-20 F_Militias can still kill some troops, while 30-40 peasant women won't. If you need troops just to buy you time, then troop lvl is important for auto-calc, so any militia/bandit is best for 1 denar.

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Now, to 7 denar ranged troops (with Leadership 6)

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                                HP  AGILITY  PS  PD  Shield  1h/ranged      equipment (as far as I've seen)
Heretic Minion          55      10          3    -      2        140                  random 1h wpn/spear, crossbow, heretic shield, heretic chain, black hood
E Levy Skirmisher      55      9          3      -      2        180/200          random 1h wpn, crossbow, light/padded leather, board shield, black hood, light leather boots
Maiden Ranger          53      9          2      2      -        125                2h Voulge, crossbow/bow, chainmail, leather cap, sandals
MystM Raider (6 dnr) 55    10          2      3      -      100     
random1h wpn/spear, shortbow, rawhide/studded leather, shield (?), ankle/fur boots (?), no headgear/pilgrim hood, sumpter horse
Pendor Hvy Bowman  55    10        3      3      -          200/240          1h sword/inf mace, comp shortbow (?), brigandine, chain boots, bascinet
Seer Initiate              53      9          2    2      -        125                  2h voulge, longbow, maiden leather, leather cap, light leather boots

CONCLUSION: I think H minions are the best choice, close with P Hvy Bowman. Sure P Bowman is better equipped and skilled, but I think the crossbow is still better vs high tier troops as well...BUT I may be wrong. E skirmishers are a good and available choice, though their light armor means they die like flies.

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High tier archers
High tier archers for garrison...I don't think we need a comparison, yes? Everyone agrees that S Armored Longbowmen & P Armored Archers are the best choice.

E Armored Crossbowmen & R Rangers are the best, but they're almost 2x weekly denars of S Bowmen. P Bowmen are even cheaper, but of course slightly worse. Better than them are the D_Djaha Archers and the P_Grey Archers, which are special troops though.

Best Archer to garrison might be Seer's Favorite, due to being closely cheap with 39 denars/week (S_Arm Longbowmen 37 dnrs) (though incredibly rare and hard to get), AND having noldor composite bows.

Best mid-tier infantry: 27 denars/week (leadership 7)

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                                                                                                                                                                            armor (not counting gloves)
                            HP  AGI  PS  Athl  Shield  1h/2h  wpns                                                                                head    body    legs 
R Kiergard            68    13  6    6      5      230    1h Rvstern_longsword/knght war axes, ,shield                      52      53          14+30
D Warrior            68    21  5    5      4      225    1h D'shar sabre, shield, throw knives, glaive (sometimes)      44      53        17+28
S Man-at-arms    68    21  5    5      4      220    1h morningstars, awlpikes, shield                                            44      43          14+30
P Man-at-arms    66    13  5    5      4      275    Silver Claymores, P Gr Swords, Blunt Steel Polehammers        43      52        16+33
F Armrd Axeman  75    16  6    6      5      240    1h F War Axe, hvy round shield, 2h War Axe (sometimes)      40      52          16+28

CONCLUSION: F Arm Axeman takes the topspot I think, though if you really need to make sure they have shields, you take Kierguard. D Warrior has some shootiness with knives, and is maybe more versatile on battlefield with the glaive, but siege? I don't think so. P Man-at-arms never have shields, which can be a problem if you mainly rely on them on the walls. S Man-at-arms might be a good choice due to the morningstars, but if they occasionally have awlpikes they're just in the way. For some reason their armor is also the lightest...

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This is a repost of what I posted in a different thread. If I ever find the time in the next few weeks, I'll post an updated better overview table on all troops with leadership 10.