Berzerker Jay
Why do people who obviously do not enjoy the experience of playing early-access games buy games while they're still in early-access?
Why do people who obviously do not enjoy the experience of playing early-access games buy games while they're still in early-access?
First, nowhere have I said I agree with everything Taleworlds does, nor will you find evidence of that in my posts. That's ridiculous.What is the point of having an opinion if we have to go only one way ? same energy
and in truth it is you who limit the development of the game, you agree with everything that Taleworlds does and all we have had is hotfix overall, taleworlds has so far shown no motivation to improve the game in depth and the fears of a desire for casualization are felt and in any case it is good for a game like Mount and Blade
First, nowhere have I said I agree with everything Taleworlds does, nor will you find evidence of that in my posts. That's ridiculous.
Beyond that you have a subjective opinion that has no facts to debate over. That's fine that you think it's all hotfixes overall (even though it's not, and I'm not interested in debating the subjective terms involved, especially considering the argument that's supporting) and it's fine that you think the devs show no motivation...even though we can see they're motivated just by their engagement in the forums, and updates come on a regular basis.
I'm not saying anything about your right to hold or post your personal opinion -- that's exactly what we're all here for, isn't it? -- but I am pointing to the validity of some claims. Have your opinion, but what's wrong with me having mine and expressing it just the same?
No. Not the same energy at all.
All this whiny slamming of Taleworlds. Obviously they have a vision, or else they wouldn't have this franchise of games and we wouldn't have so many people playing an early-access version of their next installment. You're obviously just sore about that vision, or about Taleworlds itself.
It's pathetic. What are you aiming for? Chip away at the morale of the dev team with stupid comments, so that maybe, just maybe, you can have the chance to interfere and become right?
Go play something else then, or know that you're seen as someone so sore but without the self-control to do something better with his life.
You obviously missed the word "clear" in vision part. Everyone can have a vision about everything but if it is not clear the process to reach that vision will be messy. That is what we experience now. If you don't believe it go and see the code.All this whiny slamming of Tale worlds. Obviously they have a vision, or else they wouldn't have this franchise of games and we wouldn't have so many people playing an early-access version of their next installment. You're obviously just sore about that vision, or about Taleworlds itself.
... this section of your response disqualifies you from any further civilized on topic discussion. As a matter of fact I think it violates the forum rules. If you did not get it why - well, you essentially insulted other members of the forum by calling their comments stupid, i.e. you called them stupid. All the other participants were civilized enough to not make direct isults on other community members. They can disagree in their views but calling someone stupid just because they have different opinion is out of limits.It's pathetic. What are you aiming for? Chip away at the morale of the dev team with stupid comments, so that maybe, just maybe, you can have the chance to interfere and become right?
It's not your role to command people here about what they should do and whether they should post here or not. As a matter of fact I myself have already stopped to play. I still think I will get back to Bannerlord after some time (maybe a year or two, if mods fix the game) but you did not get the point again. People post criticism to inform other visitors of the forum about their opinion of the game. You may not like it but we have the right to express our opinion.Go play something else then, or know that you're seen as someone so sore but without the self-control to do something better with his life.
Note that you have to change my wording and meaning entirely in order to claim I'm violating the forum rules and participating so poorly.You obviously missed the word "clear" in vision part. Everyone can have a vision about everything but if it is not clear the process to reach that vision will be messy. That is what we experience now. If you don't believe it go and see the code.
You also obviously missed the main point of that discussion. The post to which we responded was blaming some group of players to have bad influence on the game development decisions. The objective of the discussion was not the quality of the game that was only side topic. After this, your response turned this to discussion about the quality of the game. I am not going there because...
... this section of your response disqualifies you from any further civilized on topic discussion. As a matter of fact I think it violates the forum rules. If you did not get it why - well, you essentially insulted other members of the forum by calling their comments stupid, i.e. you called them stupid. All the other participants were civilized enough to not make direct isults on other community members. They can disagree in their views but calling someone stupid just because they have different opinion is out of limits.
It's not your role to command people here about what they should do and whether they should post here or not. As a matter of fact I myself have already stopped to play. I still think I will get back to Bannerlord after some time (maybe a year or two, if mods fix the game) but you did not get the point again. People post criticism to inform other visitors of the forum about their opinion of the game. You may not like it but we have the right to express our opinion.
Thank you!You obviously missed the word "clear" in vision part. Everyone can have a vision about everything but if it is not clear the process to reach that vision will be messy. That is what we experience now. If you don't believe it go and see the code.
You also obviously missed the main point of that discussion. The post to which we responded was blaming some group of players to have bad influence on the game development decisions. The objective of the discussion was not the quality of the game that was only side topic. After this, your response turned this to discussion about the quality of the game. I am not going there because...
... this section of your response disqualifies you from any further civilized on topic discussion. As a matter of fact I think it violates the forum rules. If you did not get it why - well, you essentially insulted other members of the forum by calling their comments stupid, i.e. you called them stupid. All the other participants were civilized enough to not make direct isults on other community members. They can disagree in their views but calling someone stupid just because they have different opinion is out of limits.
It's not your role to command people here about what they should do and whether they should post here or not. As a matter of fact I myself have already stopped to play. I still think I will get back to Bannerlord after some time (maybe a year or two, if mods fix the game) but you did not get the point again. People post criticism to inform other visitors of the forum about their opinion of the game. You may not like it but we have the right to express our opinion.
This isnt 2015, when people did not know what the term "early access" meant because it was being confused with and had similarities to closed beta tests...The problem is that it isn't about understanding, it is about human nature. You can call a game Early Access all you want but once the game is available to the general public in whatever state it is in, the game is technically released and I think developers and a lot people don't seem to understand that enough.
I enjoy a lot of early access games, those real small indie games which still deliver stuff and have some quality behind it like:Why do people who obviously do not enjoy the experience of playing early-access games buy games while they're still in early-access?
I mean, okay, I have played some of those early-access games, as well, including Kenshi. Kenshi mostly did it right, but do you remember the game when it was selling cheap? I love the game and mean no sleight against it, but the game was incredibly and boringly bare-bones back then -- I played more then probably for the imagination of the game that would come of what I was seeing. The game, however, was empty. It also basically started that way, and guided by a single self-employee.I enjoy a lot of early access games, those real small indie games which still deliver stuff and have some quality behind it like:
- Workers and Ressources - Soviet Republic
- Cryofall
- Ostriv
- SimCasino
and many more which already had left the EA status.
One of the best EA games ever are games like Rimworld, Kenshi or Factorio, guess what, all were below 20€ and had very good devs.....but TW is going for the EA Games route....but at least EA Games won´t sell you early access games for full price....
You know what is the difference between them and TW? They listen to their communitiy, they cost between 9,99 - 19,99€ and they don´t introduce new/old bugs with each release....also they never claimed to be done within around 1 year and deliver a mess like TW did.
So EA can be a great concept, TW uses it for free test users for a full price and give a damn about the people who bought the game.
What kind of wicked travesty is this?! i have 412 (just counted) carefully patched and merged together mods in my Skyrim folder and they won't leave while i draw breathJust imagine Skyrim without mods..
I think this has a pretty easy answer. So they can offer their opinions, complain about things they don't like and trying to get things the do like added to the game. Early access means the game is not done which means people believe they can influence the direction of the game.Why do people who obviously do not enjoy the experience of playing early-access games buy games while they're still in early-access?
I'm talking about the people who are here for no constructive reason, who just complain basically that the early-access game they bought is early-access.I think this has a pretty easy answer. So they can offer their opinions, complain about things they don't like and trying to get things the do like added to the game. Early access means the game is not done which means people believe they can influence the direction of the game.
To give an example of what I mean, If I come on the site and complain that I am miserable about the constant unending wars (which I am by the way), my hope is that Taleworlds will read my post and listen to what I have to say and it will influence their decision to change how wars work. I may also have issues with the lack of progress (which I do) and complain that Taleworlds should change their priorities to work on the things I feel are broken. Then I may feel like EA is taking to long (which I do) and it harming the game long term due to driving off modders (which I also feel) and that they should think about wrapping it up soon.
Obviously there are quite a few things I am not enjoying but I hope by not enjoying them and making it clear that I am not enjoying them, Taleworlds will eventually make changes and release Bannerlord in a state I absolutely enjoy.
There you go. Simple answer with an example.
Obvious, but well put.Obviously there are quite a few things I am not enjoying but I hope by not enjoying them and making it clear that I am not enjoying them, Taleworlds will eventually make changes and release Bannerlord in a state I absolutely enjoy.
Nobody "understands" what early access is because every company implements it differently and has different results. There are no standards and no clear guidelines (maybe on steam but nobody really follows them).If anyone does not know what early access means now, its from their newness to PC gaming...and that is their fault for not understanding, not the companies or the players that understand it.
Taleworlds earned my respect, and through successive games. I appreciate their development philosophy, as well as their commitment to the community.