These are very good points and well articulate what i felt but couldnt properly say. Nevertheless i too prefer the general direction that Bannerlord is going no matter how fun finding that sweeet glitchy-animation spot Warband was but i think it does need calibrating and do prefer this custom configuration over Vanilla at this point.
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These are very good points and well articulate what i felt but couldnt properly say. Nevertheless i too prefer the general direction that Bannerlord is going no matter how fun finding that sweeet glitchy-animation spot Warband was but i think it does need calibrating and do prefer this custom configuration over Vanilla at this point.
I don't think anyone wants shoulder-breaking Warband animations. It was fun to learn and play but we want combat to look good too.
Warband combat felt like you were fighting someone else, but now it feels like you're fighting to control your own character.
Like writing with oven mitts on.
If you look at the recent visual overhaul, a huge amount of that was influenced by the work of two people posting threads like this.
Warband combat felt like you were fighting someone else, but now it feels like you're fighting to control your own character.
Like writing with oven mitts on.
If you look at the recent visual overhaul, a huge amount of that was influenced by the work of two people posting threads like this.
I'm sincerely sorry, i think I've acted a little bit sensitive. It's just I don't really like when people respond with sarcasm to something i wrote in a serious manner. But whatever, i overreacted. Sorry for that@pango
THAT felt like a bash to you ? I kindheartedly suggest you grow some tougher skin as soon as possible, if you are going to continue your way of arguing with others.
OK. Lets move on now.
My experience: I didn't play warband MP, I'm not good at blocking without a shield but I can do it if the camera is not moving like hell, which is a clever tactic but I don't like it. My fps aren't good and my ping is ok, sometimes I feel like I can't block sheeeet and I think is because a combination of bad fps and worse ping than the other makes it impossible. In every game mode I tried there wasn't time to duel anyway. In Skirmish there were some players with team speakers or something and I had 3 or 4 horses on me when I was going for the flag in city streets. In captain if you are duelling other player usually he goes away to hack bots backs. In TDM apart from archers and cavalry everywhere, often there are teams camping in an area, they have some archers spread out, a twohanders squadron on patrol and even 1 or 2 horsemen ready to knock you down.
I like to play with spear, small shield and 1 handed weapon. The shield is good to defend from missiles. The spear makes damage from the beginning of the animation, that's true, but I mainly use it to keep cavalry at bay and to attack when there are other friendlies around. I switch to 1 handed wp when I'm going to duel someone. The spear is a team weapon and I think its behaviour makes it useful for bots who don't know how to keep the distance. I understand it is unstoppable in duels with pro players. But it is also very easy to block and harder to aim. That's why I don't like to hear about nerfing spears and shields.
But my concern is for SP. Honestly I can't tell the difference between stuns, delays or feints. It's too fast for me and I admire skilled players, those who are able to sheath the sword and crouch to taunt you and the like, I've been killed more than once by them and yet I had a smile when I respawned.
I like to play with spear, small shield and 1 handed weapon. The shield is good to defend from missiles. The spear makes damage from the beginning of the animation, that's true, but I mainly use it to keep cavalry at bay and to attack when there are other friendlies around. I switch to 1 handed wp when I'm going to duel someone. The spear is a team weapon and I think its behaviour makes it useful for bots who don't know how to keep the distance. I understand it is unstoppable in duels with pro players. But it is also very easy to block and harder to aim. That's why I don't like to hear about nerfing spears and shields.
But my concern is for SP. Honestly I can't tell the difference between stuns, delays or feints. It's too fast for me and I admire skilled players, those who are able to sheath the sword and crouch to taunt you and the like, I've been killed more than once by them and yet I had a smile when I respawned.
I'm still not sure how Bannerlord's combat is meant to be appealing to casuals. I didn't get into Warband MP until last year and I'm not good enough that I've ever intentionally chambered or seen people abusing janky animations but when attacks and blocks are delayed, backpedaling is too slow so I'm constantly strafing in circles in melee, kicking is useless, shields are way too durable, melee damage seems random, I get 2 hit by thrown weapons, archers have god aim, and I'm constantly getting knocked over by horses grazing me I'm not having a great time.
The Bannerlord experience summed up in one comment.
I think its fun for casuals who want to go in the game without having to turn on their brain. Like its easy to still make kills in bannerlord even through you can't block since the general playerbase right now does not know how to block. Hopefully this will change at EA
such wisdom from someone that hasn't even played much Warband MP.
anybody presuming that silen or others who tested these parameters want to bring back janky animations are simply incorrect. i know that is not their goal, and i don't think it is anybody's goal. those animations allowed for a certain skill-cap, sure, but there does need to be a reasonable comprise between animation abuse and both accessible and realistic gameplay. silen's parameters work towards that.
think of it as the current Bannerlord combat but without the sliding and janky movement, without the block delay, with a minimized attack delay and with various other combat changes designed to make it flow better and feel more satisfying. if responsive and intuitive gameplay = a return to Warband, then yes, these changes do that. however, they don't "break" the combat, they don't bring back "animation abuse" or "glitching". try them for yourself if you think otherwise. the base game feels dramatically less responsive after playing for a bit on these changes.
I made a running comparison into a gif
Is that from current build? I swear it was better than that at one point.
That's from an older build, the berserker (still called ulfhednar then) doesn't even look like that anymore. Movement is definitely a lot better in the current native build, and in my opinion, even better with the changes Silen made.
Yeah, maybe I'll make a comparison between the old footage and newer BL movement
I completely agree.
That is just beautiful!
I'm really curious to see gameplay and comparison footage with this.
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