Modern Religon vs Anchient Religion

[Ewout]

We have a pope in the blue corner and a druid in the red, lets get ready to....

I started this thread to discus with all of you about the obvious consistency's withing modern day religion as apposed by ancient ones.

For instance; The "trinity" an age old symbol used by ancient religions, like the Germanic, Gaul, Iberian and ancient cults.
Is now being used by the modern day church "The holy ghost, the father and the son".

I would like to start a heated and fierce discussion!
But let's keep in mind that we all are humans and no one is more right in his or her believes.
(Except for me!)

 

[Charidemus]

We have a pope in the blue corner and a druid in the red, lets get ready to....

I started this thread to discus with all of you about the obvious consistency's withing modern day religion as apposed by ancient ones.

For instance; The "trinity" an age old symbol used by ancient religions, like the Germanic, Gaul, Iberian and ancient cults.
Is now being used by the modern day church "The holy ghost, the father and the son".

I would like to start a heated and fierce discussion!
But let's keep in mind that we all are humans and no one is more right in his or her believes.
(Except for me!)

ancient religeon will be better. people nowdays mock at their gods and swear in their name

 

[Ewout]

It's not about what is better or worse but why where these religion consieved?
What was there main purpose?
And what scars and knowledge have they created and left over the years?
And what similarity's can we find within these religions?

 

[Charidemus]

It's not about what is better or worse but why where these religion consieved?
What was there main purpose?
And what scars and knowledge have they created and left over the years?
And what similarity's can we find within these religions?

then religeon is just to make people happier and stay loyal to their superiors

 

[ealabor]

sorry I dont tolerate your practice of heresy and paganism here.

Reported and thread locked.









J/K.  

UFO-ology in ancient architechture and religion has always intrigued me

Sumerian god:

Similarities to this?

Australian Caves 5000 BC.

Similarities to this?

Statue found to be made by Miscougee Native Americans

Egyptians knew of future aircraft?

compare

Always intriguing.

more to read here
http://www.crystalinks.com/ufohistory.html

 

[Tiberius]

I believe the objective of a religion should be to educate and give moral principles to the people, not exactly to explain the unknown (not in the present at least). From ancient Greece to Catholic church about a century ago, religion has been used as primary source or knowledge, even if moral principles have changed a little through time.

Regarding this Ancient vs Modern religion, I gotta say I find Ancient religion much more interesting, mostly because now religion is always seen as secondary, unlike what happened in the past. I'm gonna be honest with you guys... If greek gods existed nowadays, I would definatly be a politheist. I'm a Catholic and I believe in my God and, no offence to the Boss up there, but those kind of religions (especially greek politheism) sound REALLY interesting, and in some concepts, similar to modern religions. But still, I always try to imagine my religion sometimes (on purpose) as semi-politheist, with God as a sort of Zeus and the saints and the Virgin Mary as sub-gods (If a priest was reading this, he would probably kill me). I'm sure it sounds really funny, but it helps me stay interested about religion.

But anyway, enough with my nonesense speech and to wrap up this post I'm gonna say... Religion was better in the past because it was more important. Now it's always seen as secondary and people always stereotype people with beliefs.

 

[Ewout]

@ Ealabor, that's cool! but honestly was it photoshopt? , It does go along with the theory that everything has bin done before, and live is eternal loop.

@ Tiberius, I honestly think that the "image" so to speak, of god was based on Zeus and Jupiter and Satan was based on Pan

And what about the abuse of religion? as it was used to control the populace and the subdue others.

I personally think this started with the Greeks and Romans, and got worse as time passed.
Think about the crusades, thousands, maybe millions have bin killed and tortured in the name of "religion".
It's the abuse brought on by people using religion as an excuse that made it "secondary".

Nowadays, religion has bin replaced with "democracy" or they have bigger bombs then us!
I would love to see religion take a more defining role in the world again, and I can't care less which religion it is, because there will always be a person to abuse it and twist it around.

That's my sermon for the day 

(this was based on the post of Von Sweinewitz on the banners and flags thread.)

 

[ealabor]

Sweet, I love these topics. Can we get some Aetheists please?  

Let me let you in an absolute:

The Creator IS real.

Science suggests a Big Bang theory. OK, how is it then that matter could have come from nothingness?
Its the same concept of me suggesting that vehicle just appeared out of nowhere on my driveway. You would call me crazy If I said that, but quote the idealogy of the BB theory and suddenly im a scientist.

It only then follows to suggest that this universe, herein which contains the laws of time and space, had to be created by a being to which those laws of time and space do not apply.

Need an example of what i'm talking about? Lets compare this fact of what i've stated about the universe and god, to the creation of the internet.

The internet is real. Clearly this has to be the case or I cannot transmit this data. It's a universe in its own that we cannot physically enter, yet we can interact with it. Its a universe that we created, and its likely that someday sentience will develope from the machines we create, and they will reside within the universe of data that is the internet.

These beings may then look around them and see an existence of 1's and 0's or individual pixels . they might recognize patterns, but they may never come to know what images the combination of these numbers or pixels create, nor how they were created.

Such is the case with humanity. They can see the 1's and 0's and individual pixels, but they cannot see the images or data that is being displayed right in front of them.



As for the matter of religion itself, if most of the various practices or beliefs have something in common, its the fact that many of them have started with a pure message, only to have it twisted to the ends of political bodies, or governments, or even individuals with their own agendas on mind. The Crusades is a good example of this.

eh i'll save some of the smoke for other posts  

 

[Boomie]

The first religion to use the "Holy Cross" is Ancient Egyptian Theocratic religions.

More commonly known as an Ankh, which the only difference is the circular "handle" on top.

 

[Charidemus]

so does religion explain technology that people in the past didn't understand?

 

[Boomie]

so does religion explain technology that people in the past didn't understand?

Maybe, or maybe it only explains how crazy ealabor is about aliens.

 

[Merlkir]

there already is a Creation vs. Evolution thread.
And the idea of a being to whom the laws of this universe don't apply and who was here before the creation of the world (which he did) makes about as much sense to me as the big bang. Both are wild guesses and my opinion of an agnosticist/atheist is that we won't ever know.

 

[Tiberius]

My opinion, in short and without the whole Christianity = greek gods thing, is that, religions themselves, AREN'T bad, but the people in charge of them always end up getting corrupted and using their power to do their will.

 

[RayvenQ]

My opinion, in short and without the whole Christianity = greek gods thing, is that, religions themselves, AREN'T bad, but the people in charge of them always end up getting corrupted and using their power to do their will.

Religion is like communism, great in theory, just prone to being bad when humans are introduced.

 

[Boomie]

Where did Greek mythology come from anyway?

 

[RayvenQ]

Where did Greek mythology come from anyway?

The Greeks? 

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

 

[mouthnhoof]

Of the three monotheistic religions, I think birth of Christianity is the best documented one. It is funny because I am quite sure JC would be pulling out his hair if he saw what became of his teachings. He clearly meant to reform Judaism, not to create a completely new religion.

The scene of Jesus birth is a cut and paste from every middle eastern culture "messiah" myths. It was meant to accommodate as many prophecies as possible and be easily accepted by the pagans. Christians had a problem with the Jews at the time - the messiah was supposed to be a descended of king David, but Maria was not and was supposed to be a virgin, so Joseph (who was of the house of David) had to get into the story somehow and provide this angle.

I heard a professor of history claiming that serious religious wars are a product of the monotheistic religions. If you have 100 gods, what is it for you to accept the existence of a few more? If you have just one which is almighty, everything is absolute and without compromise. Judaism is relatively lenient in that respect as being a religion for Jews only. They are not allowed to actively convert non-Jews but at the same time can be vicious toward sinner-Jews. Christianity (and later Islam) broadened their target audience and made all non-Christians sinners that must be converted.

Paganism was nicer.

 

[RayvenQ]

From what I know, the Romans even adopted the gods of the countries they were stationed in so as to avoid any potential wrath of said gods.

 

[Tiberius]

From what I know, the Romans even adopted the gods of the countries they were stationed in so as to avoid any potential wrath of said gods.

Well, the "oficial" religion of the romans were... well, Roman gods. BUT, they did leve conquered cultures alone regarding deities. They were allowed to believe in anything they wanted, as long as they payed tribute and stayed loyal to the empire.

 

[Merlkir]

From what I know, the Romans even adopted the gods of the countries they were stationed in so as to avoid any potential wrath of said gods.

alexander did a similar thing. He even made his macedonians angry by claiming he's somehow related to the egyptian god Ammon.. (thus the horns on so many coins..) Many zoroastrians hate him even today for burning persepolis with all its temples and sacred texts...