Meant to say just for the battle scenes and smaller stuff. An experience coder would add an visual interface. The only problem i see is time. They would have to go into every scene and get meshes and incorporate them in. As I made Thermopylae, Changban, and a few other smaller experimental maps, I already understood the concept of implementation.
True, but even for less complicated scenes TW now layers all the different fortification levels, siege maps and civilian maps in the same settlement scene.xscene file. I'd prefer an official scene editor that has been used by TW inhouse during development as it should be less buggy than something built from the outside looking in.
That's exactly it. The video on this tool seem to show case the ability to make cool shots using the tools, but even in its most basic form it would be greatly appreciated. It's really annoying to play a battle. Try to take a shot and dislike the shot. Replay the battle and try again.When you say "Replay Editor", do you mean like in the Total War series where you can save and then rewatch a battle as a spectator? Because that would be much appreciated since we all probably miss out when wielding large armies but choosing to fight in the thick of it.
Bannerlord penalises movement through forests just like Warband. Accordingly, the terrain type can be (and probably is) used to filter the battle scene that is spawned for an encounter. Bear in mind the scale of a world map is too large to depict every copse or small wood in the plains. There will be wooded areas outside of forests, just as there may be streams that aren't worth depicting on the world map.I'm not 100% sure but my first thought, and bear in mind that I am not a modder, is that we do this with scenes for settlements, so couldn't this be achieved by doing a hack job using invisible entities or something?
But that is just me sharing my thoughts out loud.
@cuce Maybe you could let us know?
Well, ATM in Aserai area there are some places on the world map, that look like oases, but when you engage in a battle in that area, you get either a scene from Emperial area or a Khuzait one. But when you in a desert, you get a unique desert scenario. That itches me a bitBannerlord penalises movement through forests just like Warband. Accordingly, the terrain type can be (and probably is) used to filter the battle scene that is spawned for an encounter. Bear in mind the scale of a world map is too large to depict every copse or small wood in the plains. There will be wooded areas outside of forests, just as there may be streams that aren't worth depicting on the world map.
I'm sure it's included in some form - you don't get fir trees appearing in deserts.
Aserai area doesn't feel unique, though the game has all the necessary materials to make oases be oases As TW abandoned random generation of battle scenes, preferring the quality of handmade ones (remember the awful mountains and near vertical inclines in Warband), there are a limited number of reused battle scenes. Hopefully, their sceners will add more before full release, but they're still trying to make unique scenes for each settlement.Well, ATM in Aserai area there are some places on the world map, that look like oases, but when you engage in a battle in that area, you get either a scene from Emperial area or a Khuzait one. But when you in a desert, you get a unique desert scenario. That itches me a bit
Well, in theory it should be possible, since the game takes into account your location on the world map and chooses more or less appropriate scene for a battle (I say 'more or less' because right now the amount of scenes is quite limited and the game is forced to choose from those presets). Enrolling a scene editor will fix the problem, but it is viable that modders will have an access to that system which chooses the appropriate scene. Maybe there are some tags or something, so the system recognises the scale of presets it should choose from. But, we won't find out until we'l get our hands on scene editor, I thinkI'm not 100% sure but my first thought, and bear in mind that I am not a modder, is that we do this with scenes for settlements, so couldn't this be achieved by doing a hack job using invisible entities or something?
But that is just me sharing my thoughts out loud.
@cuce Maybe you could let us know?
Awww yeah, I remember those 90 degree mountains and underwater slow-mo battles
That was terrible.
There are some parameters that are tied to which scene is loaded. I made a few custom maps and dropped them in the sp folders and they show up on plain and ocean terrains. Love luring and fighting my opponents at thermopylae and guagamela.I'm not 100% sure but my first thought, and bear in mind that I am not a modder, is that we do this with scenes for settlements, so couldn't this be achieved by doing a hack job using invisible entities or something?
But that is just me sharing my thoughts out loud.
@cuce Maybe you could let us know?
The game already picks map based on location so just look at that code and we should be able to figure out how it works. TLDR, yes modders will be able to create scenes with specific terrain which should be prioritized when picking maps.But, we won't find out until we'l get our hands on scene editor, I think
The game already picks map based on location so just look at that code and we should be able to figure out how it works. TLDR, yes modders will be able to create scenes with specific terrain which should be prioritized when picking maps.
Worst case modders change the following code to change map selection.
GetPossibleBattleScenesForMapPosition() calls GetBattleSceneScoresForMapPosition() to get a list of scenes with a score and picks the highest scoring.
GetBattleSceneScoresForMapPosition() is the main function for map selection. It starts by getting terrains at the position by calling GetEnvironmentTerrainTypesCount() which samples the terrain at the position. Then GetTerrainByCount() is called which gets the most common terrain type based on the samples. Then GetSceneProperties() is called which determines forest density and filters out duplicates from the samples.
Then all scenes are scored.
If they are not of the correct terrain based on the samples they are discarded. If the scene has the correct forest density it is scored higher. The terrain types in the scene are checked and increases the score if it was in one of the samples, otherwise it reduces the score. The highest score is recorded and returned along with the possible scenes and scores.
So modders should be able to make scenes that are highly terrain specific, and possibly change terrain on world map, which will get prioritized when picking maps. Or someone could make a mod that changes scoring and sampling to ensure appropriate maps are picked, shouldn't be needed.
Terrain types currently are: Water, Mountain, Snow, Steppe, Plain, Desert, Swamp, Dune, Bridge, River, Forest, ShallowRiver, Lake, Canyon and RuralArea. Currently it doesn't look like custom terrain types are a thing but hopefully that wouldn't be too hard to add.
GetEnvironmentTerrainTypesCount() does 49 samples. It checks terrain at the exact position and 48 points around the position.
GetTerrainByCount() counts the terrain types in the samples and returns the one that occurs most.
GetSceneProperties() simply determines forest density and filters out duplicates from the samples.
