What about spending influence to ask an army to do something? This would be useful as a king to direct your other armies. Similar to ordering your clan members but keep it to armies outside of your clan and make it cost influence. Maybe have them say no to stuff that is outside their power range for attacks?
I think it wouldn't be very hard to mod in the mechanic itself. It would be very hard to balance it in gameplay and make sure you always end up with an enjoyable experience though. If you take a look at the snowballing problems it seems like the current war implementation already leads to complex problems, throwing in more variables just makes it harder to predict. This could lead to a lot of randomness, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I guess it would also stop all current attempts to create a balanced campaign.
As an outsiders from the company, its hard to know what exaclty they are thinking or planing. We should not forget that the idea of this game came from Yavuz couple. I assume that they put their heart on this game. However, you are also right in terms of company which is getting bigger and bigger over time. Thus, they also look for more profit. It is easy to judge people, and maybe you are right. My point is not argue with you. Leads are also responsible because of their less interaction with the community.
This game mechanics is a permanent Casus Beli, walking around other people territory with your army, or party, is a supreme Casus Beli.
Any chance to implement something slightly better? At least random excuses from a pool of excuses based on the rulers' relationship with each other?
Unfortunately, we kinda lowered our expectations not only with this feature but with the entire game
This seems like a great way to implement this system!Any chance to implement something slightly better? At least random excuses from a pool of excuses based on the rulers' relationship with each other?
i.e.
If Sturgian Ruler has -20 or lower relationship with Vlandian Ruler, he can pick a reason from the pool and a solid strategic reason like you already added into game. Pool issues can be more neutral or unprovable things. Such as
- "{faction_ruler_name_here} insulted our people in a speech, with his disgusting words - which is only a fit for his people"
- "{faction_name_here} is treating poorly to its own people! We should end this cruelty and do the righteous thing to do"
- "Mocks with our way of life. He hates us to his guts and shows that in every way. We shouldn't tolerate such behaviour!"
This can be turned into something richer - and faction to faction sensitive to increase depth. For example, these are all examples of Casus Belli of Ceaser to Gauls, which I changed into something Battania to Empire.
- Those savages, barbarians threatened our lands. Because of this threat, the Barbarians had to be pacified and became a vassal or part of our Empire after the war.
- We should preventing a coalition against the Empire from being formed.
So once these causes randomly picked, it can be combined with normal reasons in the game.
"{faction_ruler_name_here} insulted our people in a speech, with his disgusting words - which is only a fit for his people. We should declare war against {faction_name_here} because we have stronger armies compared to them and we can enlarge our territories"
I think this would bring more depth into the game. And it's not against to idea of "keeping game simple". I think, It's just cosmetic - ( textmetic, so to speak, since it's not graphical ) This gives the feeling that NPCs are not bots, but some type of living entities in the game with honour, feelings etc.
Unfortunately, we kinda lowered our expectations not only with this feature but with the entire game
+1, good suggestion!Any chance to implement something slightly better? At least random excuses from a pool of excuses based on the rulers' relationship with each other?
i.e.
If Sturgian Ruler has -20 or lower relationship with Vlandian Ruler, he can pick a reason from the pool and a solid strategic reason like you already added into game. Pool issues can be more neutral or unprovable things. Such as
- "{faction_ruler_name_here} insulted our people in a speech, with his disgusting words - which is only a fit for his people"
- "{faction_name_here} is treating poorly to its own people! We should end this cruelty and do the righteous thing to do"
- "Mocks with our way of life. He hates us to his guts and shows that in every way. We shouldn't tolerate such behaviour!"
This can be turned into something richer - and faction to faction sensitive to increase depth. For example, these are all examples of Casus Belli of Ceaser to Gauls, which I changed into something Battania to Empire.
- Those savages, barbarians threatened our lands. Because of this threat, the Barbarians had to be pacified and became a vassal or part of our Empire after the war.
- We should preventing a coalition against the Empire from being formed.
So once these causes randomly picked, it can be combined with normal reasons in the game.
"{faction_ruler_name_here} insulted our people in a speech, with his disgusting words - which is only a fit for his people. We should declare war against {faction_name_here} because we have stronger armies compared to them and we can enlarge our territories"
I think this would bring more depth into the game. And it's not against to idea of "keeping game simple". I think, It's just cosmetic - ( textmetic, so to speak, since it's not graphical ) This gives the feeling that NPCs are not bots, but some type of living entities in the game with honour, feelings etc.
Unfortunately, we kinda lowered our expectations not only with this feature but with the entire game
yes, anything that would make all lords not feel like emotionless strategists.
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I think they are just dialogues, like the one mexxico wants to add
@mexxico You know I admire you and like many people, you have my respect for you as a professional, passion is evident in you...I love that you share information so openly with us.
Bannerlord is a complex game that is founded upon a structure with very promising modeable possibilities; that's a step that all the fans applaud. Bannerlord in broad strokes is a good game, with a long term future with lights and shadows, but with a future; but I wonder if it's the Bannerlord that everyone has been waiting for... However, and I don't want to create controversy, in general terms the development has been / is being too conservative, in my opinion as a consumer-fan. As I have said in the past, for some game features, you guys have wanted to reinvent the wheel instead of building upon the foundation that you yourselves consolidated in previous installments. And other times you have missed the opportunity to build up from the foundations of warband mod concepts that are utterly essential to the community and that many of us wanted to see implemented in Bannerlord in an analogous way or as an enhanced 2.0 version.
Expectations have long since been lowered, yet some of us are too stubborn and continue providing feedback in the hope™ and belief that some "final touch™ " is still possible
That's enough for me, and I think it's enough for this game. Simple but okay, so it shows the reason of war, how else could it be?
That's great news, thanks for sharing mexxico, direct and honest response from devs is much appreciated.
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Couldn't agree with this more. I went out with a friend one night and presented the game in detail for him. He played warband for a time and then moved on, and when i explained BL to him he already said it's too complex for him. The game might look at the surface pretty complex and that may be something that "scares " away some players. If some very big youtubers would have played the game e.g. jacksepticeye markiplier etc maybe the game would've gotten more popular but these guys usually go around complex games. This is not meant as hate or anything, I actually love mexxico's idea of easy to learn hard to master but i also know that the complex part is (maybe) keeping people away.
Anyway good night all, it was nice to discuss these...
