Mexican-American War
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Folcan
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You mean the war were Santa Anna Lost almost half of mexican soil?
Hmm well, I haven't studied much about that war but what I know Is that US was on an expansive doctrine on the moment so they wanted land badly, so If they didn't annexed Texas and waged war against Mexico the other one would be Canada Or South America but since US got the excuse of helping Texas to get Independence then I don't know how they would start a war against them.
And for Mexico, then we would have twice our territory, I don't know what would have happened to Texas since they declared Independence of Mexico, maybe they would be conquered again or left as another country, but This would encourage the Independence of other states around.
And for the last thing, my city would not be border with US and we wouldn't call It three times heroic as we do because of the victories against invaders.
This might get interesting, If I can get more information about It and more people give their opinion we would make better conclusions
Hmm well, I haven't studied much about that war but what I know Is that US was on an expansive doctrine on the moment so they wanted land badly, so If they didn't annexed Texas and waged war against Mexico the other one would be Canada Or South America but since US got the excuse of helping Texas to get Independence then I don't know how they would start a war against them.
And for Mexico, then we would have twice our territory, I don't know what would have happened to Texas since they declared Independence of Mexico, maybe they would be conquered again or left as another country, but This would encourage the Independence of other states around.
And for the last thing, my city would not be border with US and we wouldn't call It three times heroic as we do because of the victories against invaders.
This might get interesting, If I can get more information about It and more people give their opinion we would make better conclusions
Bismarkpwns
Regular
I think the war was inevitable, but had we never fought and taken texas and the surounding land I would say that a seperate nation would have ceded from Mexico and it may or may not have joined the union. There were so many american's living in Mexico's soil I say it was impossible for Mexico to maintain it as its own land, of course the Mexican's brought it down upon themselves, they allowed, even encouraged massive emigration to Mexico
EDIT: Were did you get that second quote mdk31?
EDIT: Were did you get that second quote mdk31?
It's Alpha Centauri. From the Planetary Datalinks secret project movie IIRC.
I think that the Spanish would still own all of thier land and America would be like cut in half or somethin like that
Interesting. It's kinda interesting to think what implications it would have on the rest of the world too. Take World War I, for example. Would a United States with much less territory have been able to send a force to Europe? I kinda don't think so, since it wouldn't have a lot of the resources available to it from the West. Also, would the Civil War have happened? One significant cause of it was the imbalanced amount of free states versus slave states. Several of the former were created out of former Mexican territories. Perhaps it still would have happened, but perhaps in a different way.
Rambling a bit but yeah. It's fun to think about.
Correct, by Commissioner Pravin Lal. The full monologue was:
[quote author=Pravin Lal]As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.[/quote]
Rambling a bit but yeah. It's fun to think about.
Bismarkpwns said:
Archonsod said:
Correct, by Commissioner Pravin Lal. The full monologue was:
[quote author=Pravin Lal]As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.[/quote]
What a happy coincidence. I'm an Alpha Centauri freak. I've been playing the game on and off since 1999. At the time I would dream about AC (that's when you know you lost it), and I got full speeches of those quotes mdk31 just posted stored in my mind.
How about this one it's just coming up in my mind do you know who is it from these ones?
"Human behaviour is economic behaviour, the particulars may vary..."
"Learn to overcome the crass demands of the human body...."
And this one is easy:
"For I have tasted the fruit."
How about this one it's just coming up in my mind do you know who is it from these ones?
"Human behaviour is economic behaviour, the particulars may vary..."
"Learn to overcome the crass demands of the human body...."
And this one is easy:
"For I have tasted the fruit."
Dan_Grr said:
SMAC is probably in the top 5 of my favorite games of all time, up there with X-Com: UFO Defense, Starcraft, Fallout, and Hearts of Iron 2.
Fairly certain that's Nwabudike (did I spell that right?) Morgan.
Chairman Yang.
Academician Prokhor Zakharov. I always play as the University.
lol ya sorry about that I did mean the Mexicansdjude said:
Ezias
Veteran
its hard to really fully determine what the course of history would be if there hadnt been that Mexican-American War, but i feel that the same territory (or roughly the same) would have ended up in United States hands anyways. There were already many many Americans emigrating the California, Utah, New Mexico, Arizona etc, and as has been proven in times past, Americans usually want to be American, or at least not under someone else (meaning either under the United States Government or Independent, as Texas tried to do).
I think the most that would have happened is a delay of 1 or 2 decades. Of course thats also looking at it from the US point of view, it could have made things very different from the Mexican point of view. If i remember correctly, Santa Anna was deposed for a time after the war due to a poor popular sentiment towards him. If he hadnt been soundly defeated in the Mexican-American War perhaps he would have tried to build upon his reputation of the Napoleon of the Americas, either by conquering neighbors to the south or trying to fight in what is now Canada or Texas/US (which would be basically the same war as did happen).
I think the most that would have happened is a delay of 1 or 2 decades. Of course thats also looking at it from the US point of view, it could have made things very different from the Mexican point of view. If i remember correctly, Santa Anna was deposed for a time after the war due to a poor popular sentiment towards him. If he hadnt been soundly defeated in the Mexican-American War perhaps he would have tried to build upon his reputation of the Napoleon of the Americas, either by conquering neighbors to the south or trying to fight in what is now Canada or Texas/US (which would be basically the same war as did happen).
Grubnessul
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The impact on the world would mainly depend on how (resource)rich that area was during the WWs. If it was of great economic and industrial importance, this war might have been important.
Grubnessul said:
Major ports in California, mining in the same and the Rockies, plus oil in Texas, plus the massive agricultural output of California, all adds up to it being a very resource-rich area and rather important. Not to mention the fact that the war and the territorial changes resulting from it contributed to the causes of the Civil War.
Allegro said:
Mexico encouraged mass immigration into it's land, and many of those were Americans hoping to set up business in California and the South-west. Thus, many people did speak English, and quite few of them in those territories were actually mexicans. Most were just Native American tribes, with a few Mexican missionaries scattered about. That and Texas has quite a few American's living there, and hoped to include themselves into the US government. The US also wanted more land for their increasing tide of pioneers, and a more direct path to Oregon.
