Memoirs of German officers in WW2

[Overlord-]

Hah. Simply being a German soldier was enough for them to send you to a Gulag till -55. Not saying the western Allies were better.

Just having a German name was enough for that. Also, Allies were mostly better.

 

[Untitled.]

I suppose you're basing that on the fact that the Germans had organised, industrial murder facilities? I don't see how that'd excuse raping one of the most culturally important cities and murdering hundreds of thousands of innocents in a ****ing pit of fire after the war was over. And that's just one of the Allied war crimes, probably the most known and criticized one.
Other war crimes that they have not been punished for include the surrendering of Vlasov's army to the Russians (**** move, you Brits) and the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki when there was more suitable objects to **** up than civilians.

I don't want to turn this thread into a debate, however, and so this will be my last comment on the matter.

 

[Austupaio]

I've always found it a bit difficult to say that Allies were the good guys. Nuking the Japs is a given, but most people don't realise that the battle of Berlin was less of a siege and more of a raping and pillaging action.

 

[Seff]

When you look at the casualty list for both sides, it looks less like a one-sided rape.

 

[Untitled.]

If you look at the population lists for both sides it'll look like rape again, then?

 

[Seff]

No. Oh right, you're the nazi kid, I forgot.

 

[Austupaio]

Err, whom?

 

[Seff]

UnholyNighmare.

 

[Untitled.]

I don't support any side of the war; to me they were both as bad. If calling me nazi kid makes you feel better I won't object really, because I don't care that much so go ahead.
Not saying I wouldn't deserve to be flamed every once in a while.

 

[Seff]

I was basing it on some of the discussions you had back in the day, actually.

 

[Untitled.]

That's ages ago. Opinions do change, you know. Sides, I never agreed with the nazis themselves, it was more of a 'German people' thing I had.
In any case, I'm over that.

 

[Seff]

Hah, glad to hear it. Good that some people aren't too stubborn to change.

 

[Bulle]

Yes, because Germany totally didn't do any warcrimes at all, such as completely destroying entire villages, killing men, women and children. And all of their cattle. And then burnt down their houses. They totally didn't kidnap children and killed the children that wasn't good enough racially. Yeah, the Germans totally didn't rape people in occupied countries before they brutally murdered them.

 

[Untitled.]

And the Russians never killed Cossacks, the western Allies never tortured war prisoners and the Japanese never performed experiments on their prisoners. In fact, things such as Gulags, concentration camps and Unit 731 never existed.
There's always two sides to a coin, no matter how you look at it.

 

[Bulle]

And the Russians never killed Cossacks, the western Allies never tortured war prisoners and the Japanese never performed experiments on their prisoners. In fact, things such as Gulags, concentration camps and Unit 731 never existed.
There's always two sides to a coin, no matter how you look at it.

But the way the Allied war crimes have been discussed in this thread, it makes it seem as the Germans never did anything wrong besides the concentration camps. It is very common amongst revisionist historians and believers to only point out the crimes of the Allied forces against the poor Germanic people and completely disregard everything the Nazis did during the war.

 

[Untitled.]

I would say it is more common, at least in the Americas and Russia, to completely ignore Allied war crimes. When we learn about the World Wars in school it's simply a lot of "Nazi bad, Nazi German, Nazi must die!".
Naturally, you can't really oversee the Axis war crimes, but the Allied war crimes should be (and should have been) treated the same way, which they, unfortunately, are/were not. At least not in my country as of yet.

 

[Bulle]

Well, since Sweden is a neutral country, we tend to focus on both. Particulary the treatment of the children and girlfriends in Denmark and Norway which had German soldiers as fathers. If the father was a fascist then so are the children, was their motto and put them all in insane asylums and didn't give them any education whilst the women were shunned from society. Frida from ABBA was a war child and had to flee to Sweden.

 

[Lord Burgess1]

The British history classes tend to not focus on anything to do with Britain or the Empire or anything incase it offends someone.

Occasionally Dresden is brought up I think.

 

[Wellenbrecher]

We did a ****ton of WW2 in history in school. We did little else beside WW2, the years before that, French revolution, industrial revolution and Russian revoltuion to be honest. Anyhow, we not even once had a class about Dresden or the bombings in general, nor was the ethical implications of the atomic bombs on Japan ever a part of the curriculum.
And why would it, eh? After all stupid people would have problems getting these topics to terms with the constant "GERMANS BAD, K?! YOU BAD! NEVER THINK POSITIVE ABOUT IT!" battering that history classes around here are.

 

[Untitled.]

And why would it, eh? After all stupid people would have problems getting these topics to terms with the constant "GERMANS BAD, K?! YOU BAD! NEVER THINK POSITIVE ABOUT IT!" battering that history classes around here are.

This. I actually thought it was the same all over first world countries, but apparently not. Kinda glad to hear that, but it seems like most decent countries have an obsession to bash their own history for some reason.