melee with throwing weapons...

[Homie]

I recently decided to make a character that did nothing but throwing. I had a shield and 3 sets of jarids and that's it. It was quite fun, especially with an army of vaegir archers by my side. However, It was quite hard to survive if my horse was killed and I fell off. Later on as I raised my athletics skill it wasn't such a problem, but in the early levels it was quite a problem

So anyway my suggestion is that you should be able to melee with throwing weapons. It should deffinately do very low damage, but it's better than being defenseless against a n00b river pirate that knocked you off of your horse. I know a lot of you will say its my own fault for not carrying a backup weapon, but there's really no reason I couldn't swing a throwing axe at someone, or poke someone with a jarid.

Don't get me wrong..... I don't want it to be effective, i just want it to do enough damage that if i can keep hitting them, eventually I could kill a single enemy, maybe in like 6 hits.

 

[Destichado]

ditto.

 

[Ilex]

I want this.

 

[svart]

sure

 

[Daimyo]

Why not.

 

[powerg8]

Go for it.

 

[Jhaerik]

Yeh, you should be able to use the weapon as melee after you have throw all of it's ammo. Or even not be able to throw the last. Could also just up the current stack size by 1 on all weapons, so your not suffering from not being able to throw the last one.

 

[Destichado]

"Thrust and Throw", eh?

 

[Bearhugger]

good idea!

i sometimes use a 2h weapon a shield and 2 throwing weapons, so when my throwing weapons are all gone, which sometimes happens in the heat of the battle (though i want to keep a "reserve" of at least 10 percent for emergencies ) i can also no longer use my shield. it shouldnt be so.
i mean i still carry my shield. why not use it, even without a weapon? (for approaching archers etc).

so, my vote is: yea. jarid-pokers should be allowed

 

[Juno]

yup this idea FTW

 

[Maelstorm]

even melee with arrows should be added. (check Lord of the Rings Movie/Elfs are ubercreatures and dwarfs suck saga/aragorn's 1001 miracles)

 

[Daimyo]

Hey, LOTR movies should be taken as actual examples of realism, unless you think that skateboarding with a metal shield on a stairways is believable.

 

[Destichado]

Notice that only Legolas ever did those superhuman feats. And he did them because he's an ELF. The Elves were once mighty enough to take on and kill Balrogs greater than the one in Moria in single combat; the greatest was even puissant enough to cripple a god. By comparison, nothing Legolas ever did was really worthy of note. The rest of us mortals, though, should be as removed from his skill as he was from his ancestors'. So no stabbity arrows for us.

Other than those feats, LOTR should be seen as a fantasy that's quite true to real history.

 

[Daimyo]

Other than those feats, LOTR should be seen as a fantasy that's quite true to real history.

You mean except for dwarven throwing, walls that crumble like Lego, orcs with 60 foot long poles, bows firing 2'' thick arrows, people fighting with a couple of arrows stuck on their hearth, 100 foot tall elephants, cavalry trying to conquer cities by running in a single line, and people throwing 20 lbs spears as javelins?

Oh, uhm, I do not agree.

 

[okiN]

100 foot tall elephants

Those aren't elephants, they're mûmakil. What, they don't exist? That's because LotR is a fantasy.

cavalry trying to conquer cities by running in a single line

I have no idea what you mean by this.

Those aside, I agree with you that the LotR movies are hardly a paragon of historical accuracy.

 

[Destichado]

I don't. The more you learn, the more you realize they did a fantastic job.

The orc's arrows, for instance, are very much like the arrows the Moro used with their leg-bows. A bow that heavy would shatter the shaft of a lighter arrow. The pikes were of appropriate lenght by late 15th c. standards, and before organized infantry and schiltron/pike-square tactics made a come-back, heavy cavalry like the Rohirim owned the battlefield just like they did in RotK. Odds are, if there's something a person's wearing, using or doing in the movies, you'll find some historical provenence for it -yes, including knights fighting on after recieving impossibly grievous wounds. Of course, you have to be mature enough to separate the mythic elements from the history the myth is based on. Balrogs, for instance. Or hobbits, or orcs.

I don't know what you mean re: javelins. But I've thrown a boar spear for distance -it's not that hard, you just don't get the distance.

 

[okiN]

Destichado, well yeah, obviously with everything you can say "something like this existed or happened at some point", the thing is whether or not they fit together all that well. And more importantly they made tons of totally unnecessary changes (Small and large) with regard to the books, so you can't help getting a sort of "Wait a minute, it didn't happen like that" feeling. I mean, leaving out the songs and Tom Bombadil was reasonable enough, but the insta-win Army Of The Dead they have in the movie is pretty retarded.

 

[Daimyo]

Those aren't elephants, they're mûmakil. What, they don't exist? That's because LotR is a fantasy.

Yeah... but oliphants should not be taller than 20 feet. At least tolkien describes them as "very tall elephants" not walking empire-state buildings [].

I have no idea what you mean by this.
.

Faramir leads his cavalry army to reclaim Osgiliath. His idea of "army" consist of roughly 30 horsemen, his idea of "cavalry charge" consist of wielding longswords instead of lances, their idea of "reclaiming an occupied city" is to charge against some ruined wall manned by archers. That's not a "suicidal mission" that's utterly idiot. Maybe their alternative plan was to swim around the city using their plate mail as boats, so this seemed like a good idea, I dunno.

 

[The Pope]

The whole point of that sequence is that he was ordered to die stupidly.

 

[Archonsod]

Other than those feats, LOTR should be seen as a fantasy that's quite true to real history.

You mean except for dwarven throwing, walls that crumble like Lego, orcs with 60 foot long poles, bows firing 2'' thick arrows, people fighting with a couple of arrows stuck on their hearth, 100 foot tall elephants, cavalry trying to conquer cities by running in a single line, and people throwing 20 lbs spears as javelins?

Oh, uhm, I do not agree.

I don't get it. Why would a few arrows stuck on your fireplace stop you from fighting?

Sorry. But when I read that I almost covered the monitor in coffee. I assume you meant heart. On the other hand, the secret interior decorating sub plot of LOTR makes a strange kind of sense...