1: Because that's how an argument works. You're claiming that everyone else is wrong and that cavalry were actually super weak in real life in Bannerlord's time period, and if you're going to make that statement it's up to you to provide proof. I've already provided plenty of proof of cavalry charges being enormously effective against infantry and resulting in victory.
2: Sure. I didn't say they intended to lose. But how is that relevant to the discussion? If anything, the fact they didn't intend to lose and were overconfident is a strong indicator that people generally considered mounted cavalry charges to be quite an effective way of winning battles.
Also, more importantly: Battles from the 1300s, with 200 years advancement of military technology and tactics, are largely irrelevant to discussions about Bannerlord's 1000s setting.
3: Nobody is saying cavalry charges didn't exist before the 1000s. I am saying that the level of power that could be achieved through a cavalry charge had not been seen up to that point. That's why Byzantine Emperor Manuel I went to the trouble of retraining all his cataphracts in "Frankish-style" couched lance techniques, because they were so effective.
I like how in your version of real life, some of the most elite troops in the world dedicated their lives to practicing something that was apparently super ineffective!
5: If each charge gradually wears down the stamina and morale of the infantry on the ground until they finally break and run, and forces them to hunker down in a single place, and thus eventually wins the battle then it's not a failure, it's a success.
Do you actually have a source or are you just going to keep accusing people of pulling numbers out of thin air while doing it yourself?
7: What BS are you spouting? The guy at the front was sent FLYING. At least 4 other people got bowled over by horses as well.
8: They look literally just as threatening as 90% of the spears that people are equipped with in Bannerlord, and you're also refusing to acknowledge that not all infantry in bannerlord even have spears, and none of them have super long pikes as were used in the 1300s and onward.
9: Mental slip since I associate his name with "The Prince", I knew it was a different book. Anyway, Machiavelli wrote Art of War in the 1500s. The world had fully adapted to the most effective possible way of dealing with cavalry by using VERY long pikes, hence the Pike and Shot era. But in the 1000s, and in Bannerlord itself, such super-long pikes were not a common battlefield weapon at all.
Therefore, horses refusing to charge a super-long braced pikewall in the 1500s is not relevant to a discussion about a game set in the 1000s where you don't have super-long pikes and you can't brace them.
The amazing thing here is that you actually think it's okay that highest-tier Vlandian cavalry take multiple attempts to even kill the ****tiest, weakest looters in the game. Somehow to you that's a great state of affairs, and you'll clutch at every straw you can to defend it.
You two should start your own history show on discovery channel, but i see that hruza has some experience in game while the other one just sees what he wants to see even if its slightly correct
Personally i think they only see one thing then sticks with it, then dont play the game as much either to see the whole thing. Mostly also i think that they are not looking at the AI but themselves most of the time as it comes natural when concentrating, then skip the AI combat.Yea, you have already posted several videos of cavalry one shooting infantry in this very thread yet here were go again and again: "Vlandian elite cavalry can't one shoot looters" or something along those lines ....
I wonder if those people come here with some obsessive Banerlordfobia and then make up the fact to fit their beliefs.
Personally i think they only see one thing then sticks with it, then dont play the game as much either to see the whole thing. Mostly also i think that they are not looking at the AI but themselves most of the time as it comes natural when concentrating, then skip the AI combat.
I mean i had one guy crying over one handed spear and he didnt even played with it all the way.Like he just tried it out then calling it weak and that one decission was absolute...Sure i could understand those who wants spears to be like real spear fighting in "real life" and all but thats just being picky.
So i tried it out since i havent before to then finding out that its a damn formidable weapon and one i damn enjoyed playing with to even if they buffed the horses and their armor to oblivion But its ok since now we sit here discussing if they are weak or not
Yep fair enough xD and sums it pretty much when it comes to movie making contra realityI see problem going deeper. People come to the Bannerlord with the bulletproof "historical knowledge" gained by watching Lord of The Rings movies and playing Total War and unfortunately also previous instances of MB where cavalry rides armored tanks ramming in to hordes of orcs sending men flaying left and right in to the air in ragdoll animations.
And then they try to the the same in Bannerlord.
And Sturgian veterans don't fly in to the air like orcs under Rohirrim charge.
Then hysteria begins.
And then they blame Bannerlord.
And when they are shown video of a cavalry one shot they close their eyes and ignore it.
I am been constantly accused of pushing historical realism too much in the game. However reality is that generations of players grow up with completely distorted view of history because of the game and film industry. Yes they know it's entertainment. Yes they know it's not real. However at the end they end up forming their opinions based on them anyway. That's how human brain unfortunately works. Therefore I am deeply convinced that game developers have obligation to keep that in mind when making their games. Their "freedom" to invent BS has consequences.
When you make history inspired game or movie and you want to put invented BS in to it for what ever purpose (gameplay for example), you need to make sure it's clearly implemented and understood by player as invented or unhistorical. Same goes for historical movies. Filmmakers will often take liberties with historical facts while giving excuse that it's "artistic" depiction and not documentary. Yes that's true, only problem is that people who watch it won't be able to tell the difference. They won't go to the library or in to the archives after watching the film to find out what is real and what is filmmaker's "creativity". Therefore either film have to try to be as historically accurate as possible or it have to make clear to the audience that it is not historical.
Can agree to an degree here but its also because youre getting in to close while they are focusing on you. Even if im using my sword i try to keep as much distance as i can, while charging that is . You can couch to but then you really need to rely that youre accurate or else it can hurt. Also keep your eyes out for what type of weapon that (in this case) the looter have, which you prob already knew when it comes to the pitchfork then you need to be extra careful. I usually avoid spear men since its an big risk but it depends on the situation ofc if they arent really aware and hesitates on another target and so on.It is just comical how such "profesional" looters can hit you precisely with short weapon runing from the side while you are at max speed having such difficulty to hit target but foor "foot" AI with its perfect timing
I do not use coushed attacks for it gives no exp to riding nor spear from my exp, when seeing looter with pitchfork I go close to him blocking his attack and hiting him if having short weapon if I have lance I use overhead attack mostly avoiding his.Can agree to an degree here but its also because youre getting in to close while they are focusing on you. Even if im using my sword i try to keep as much distance as i can, while charging that is . You can couch to but then you really need to rely that youre accurate or else it can hurt. Also keep your eyes out for what type of weapon that (in this case) the looter have, which you prob already knew when it comes to the pitchfork then you need to be extra careful. I usually avoid spear men since its an big risk but it depends on the situation ofc if they arent really aware and hesitates on another target and so on.
Couching does give xp. Every kill you do with your weapon both gives you riding and polearm/one hand or two hander xp. But yeah that type of attack works toI do not use coushed attacks for it gives no exp to riding nor spear from my exp, when seeing looter with pitchfork I go close to him blocking his attack and hiting him if having short weapon if I have lance I use overhead attack mostly avoiding his.
1: Because you're the one claiming everyone else is wrong and cavalry was terrible, it's up to you to prove your claim, not me.1: Well if that's how argument works, then you tell me all the battles in the period 900-1100 where cavalry won first.
2: Your argument works both ways.
3: Those battles are perfectly relevant because there was no principal change in how heavy cavalry fought.
4: I said frontal charges against determined and disciplined infantry were usually ineffective.
5: No, Norman cavalry at Hastings did not use couched lance. Holding lance in the underhand grip is not the same as couched lance.
6: Which part of "until Normans fooled English to disband their formation by faking retreat or until English king received arrow in to the head, depending on which source you believe" you did not understand? Norman cavalry did not win the battle of Hastings by charging English infantry, Norman cavalry FLED from English infantry to win.
7: In reality 20,000 Crusader infantry backed by couple of knights mounted on oxes and pack animals have charged Turkish cavalry and light infantry (mostly archers). https://www.historynet.com/the-crucible-of-antioch-the-pivotal-clash-of-the-first-crusade.htm You have misinterpreted the whole battle as 700 Crusader cavalry charge defeating 10,000 Turkish infantry.
8: The first guy who for some irrational reason run up front was bowled over by the knee of the rider. Those spears were not real spears.
9: And heavy cavalry used very long lances. In 1500s, heavy cavalry was at the pike of it's power. As is common with you, you don't know what you're talking about. Armoured cavalry, in the form of the gendarme, was at its highest as a proportion of the total number of combatants in many Renaissance armies, especially in France. Other Western European states also used heavy cavalry very often, such as Spain and the Holy Roman Empire in the Italian Wars. North-Central and Eastern Europe saw the emergence of winged hussars that proved a decisive factor in the territorial gains of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth and in its wars with Sweden, Muscovy and the Ottoman Turks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_cavalry#Renaissance_to_20th_century France entered the sixteenth century with its gendarme companies being the largest and most respected force of heavy cavalry in Europe, feared for their powerful armament, reckless courage and esprit de corps. As the fifteenth century waned, so did the tactical practices of the Hundred Years War, and the gendarmes of the sixteenth century returned to fighting exclusively on horseback, generally in a very thin line (en haye), usually two or even just one rank deep, so as to maximize the number of lances being set upon the enemy target at once.
10: You still failed to explain how impaling itself on a long pike and short pike makes any difference to the horse.
11: No, I know for a fact that it does not take highest-tier Vlandian cavalry multiple attempts to kill the ****tiest, weakest looters in the game. Vlandian banner knight will one shoot any looter, given he have space and terrain to gain decent speed and does not miss.
Its because you dont know how to use them...but yes if you dont, its better to take what you´re good with. Thats an good lesson in life when it feels like its on the line. Ive posted some vids couple of pages back if you want to learn the basics.I totally agree! I never use spears or melee cavalry now.
I like the music and the spear skills, but the video is very dark. It's hard to see what's going on IMO. Please consider gamma adjustments.Its because you dont know how to use them...but yes if you dont, its better to take what you´re good with. Thats an good lesson in life when it feels like its on the line. Ive posted some vids couple of pages back if you want to learn the basics.
I did plenty of mistakes here with mine and still i only lost 2 after the battle with alot of denars in my pocket....so cant complain because those two had already payed for em selves weeks ago
Yeah its Youtube whos putting the darkness down a notch but i can see it on my monitor so you might have to turn things up or get some curtains down ....snip
Dying every battle but magically resurrecting to fight another day seems like the epitome of crazy hero stuff to me.Sure its not always perfect but were doing what were supposed to not some crazy hero stuff.....
You're right. I haven't watched all 125 videos. I watched the one suggested to me by you, and I watched the one uploaded right before it.Your havent looked at my commanding vids if you are saying that i all i done is leading a group of cav, which cavs should be doing to add.
Dying every battle but magically resurrecting to fight another day seems like the epitome of crazy hero stuff to me.
You're right. I haven't watched all 125 videos. I watched the one suggested to me by you, and I watched the one uploaded right before it.
Here you can check some videos about cavalry performance:
By the way, elite infantry has got MUCH better since the last patch thanks to armor buff. Sadly this great improvement is being outshining due some people complaining about outfits and saying that the changes have been crap :-s (Thanks TW, I really appreciate the armor buff).