Great stuff
Can you also make an editable version of the armor, a .psd file, or whatever ?
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Great stuff
Can you also make an editable version of the armor, a .psd file, or whatever ?
Include it in your pack kauik. 
I love those hauberks! Not a fan of separated coifs, so I am particularly fond of the three on the right. Quite wonderful work!
To expand on that criticism, and a fix which would make it look better AND be more realistic:SacredStoneHead 说:
The belt should be tied, like so:
http://www.medieval-weaponry.co.uk/acatalog/broadsword-belt.html
(First link I could find)
This would prevent the belt from becoming easily undone, and also the end from flopping about ungracefully.
The whole deal with belts being tied up past the buckle makes little sense, honestly and I blame Peter Jackson for it Just because it looks sort of cool and all Lord of the Rings characters did it, it doesn't make it historically accurate. Beside, why would you want a belt almost twice as long as it's needed to wrap your waists?
A good share of sources don't even show belts on the surcoats and hauberks. Infact, that could be an interesting addition to the hauberks Dejawolf is modelling; a hauberk with surcoat without a belt on it, just hanging down naturally.
Just because it looks sort of cool and all Lord of the Rings characters did it, it doesn't make it historically accurate. Beside, why would you want a belt almost twice as long as it's needed to wrap your waists? A good share of sources don't even show belts on the surcoats and hauberks. Infact, that could be an interesting addition to the hauberks Dejawolf is modelling; a hauberk with surcoat without a belt on it, just hanging down naturally.
You'll note that the belt end is held in place by the scabbard, which in turn is held in place by the whatchamacallit-strand from the belt. This thin strand also prevents the belt-end from sagging down early.dejawolf 说:oh i'm sorry, i based the belt on the Tomb effigy of roger de trumpington:
If you've worn belts with a simple buckle like that you want a place to put the end, especially if it is long. The easiest solution is to simply tie it. Of course, if you have a buckle like this, there is no problem. Modern day belts often look like this, which have that leather loop which takes care of the problem in the same way. If you don't secure the belt in any way, there is a certain risk that it might eventually come undone accidentally. Besides, having a loose end dangling right in front of you like some sort of flaccid... well, it's inelegant.
As for the hauberk, it would be worn with a belt to take some weight off the shoulders, but the surcoat would be on top of that again. But the sword belt (if suspended by belt) would be outside the surcoat.
Edit: Lord of the Rings it ain't:
http://www.greydragon.org/trips/Wales2005/Wales-2/stdavids078.jpg
That's from the effigy of Lord Rhys, died in 1307.
Tying the belt end really isn't that odd, either, seeing as that's how you had to tie leather belts which only had the ring, and didn't have a fancy pin.
riiight.... I guess they just liked being unelegant
http://catherineaarmstrong.com/images/7.jpg
http://previews.agefotostock.com/previewimage/bajaage/bebbdb469361a0ab4aa0b22e7d0f1597/XY2-1135963.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/62625104/cavaliersdbut13ecaparao.jpg
Can't think of an example where the belt is shown tied while I can even find a few where it's untied and hanging (despite my lame capacities of doing internet researches). If you have unsheathed your sword already and the belt falls off, you only risk to lose your scabbard, not such a huge deal. If you haven't, well, most people argue swords were mostly a symbolic weapon, that they couldn't go through maille and were not meant to anyway, that maces and axes were more important and so on and so forth.
Given the lack of depictions, though, I tend to assume they either did not wear a belt over the surcoat to begin with or, if they did, they had it simply buckled and not tied.
EDIT: also, now that I think of it, my sword's scabbard has no loop whatsoever. It's not ridiculously long like those in some Medieval depictions but the fact with leather is that it doesn't hang down that much at all. Even assuming it was longer (which I still don't see a good reason for, but whatever) it'd probably follow the belt over your waist more than going down between the legs.
http://catherineaarmstrong.com/images/7.jpg
http://previews.agefotostock.com/previewimage/bajaage/bebbdb469361a0ab4aa0b22e7d0f1597/XY2-1135963.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/62625104/cavaliersdbut13ecaparao.jpg
Can't think of an example where the belt is shown tied while I can even find a few where it's untied and hanging (despite my lame capacities of doing internet researches). If you have unsheathed your sword already and the belt falls off, you only risk to lose your scabbard, not such a huge deal. If you haven't, well, most people argue swords were mostly a symbolic weapon, that they couldn't go through maille and were not meant to anyway, that maces and axes were more important and so on and so forth.
Given the lack of depictions, though, I tend to assume they either did not wear a belt over the surcoat to begin with or, if they did, they had it simply buckled and not tied.
EDIT: also, now that I think of it, my sword's scabbard has no loop whatsoever. It's not ridiculously long like those in some Medieval depictions but the fact with leather is that it doesn't hang down that much at all. Even assuming it was longer (which I still don't see a good reason for, but whatever) it'd probably follow the belt over your waist more than going down between the legs.
Point, except I do not see any belts at all in the third picture.GodHandApostole 说:
Not a minor thing, either, considering you need it to protect and carry your sword, as well as being quite expensive in and of itself.
If you carry a sword on the battlefield, it's more than a symbol. But even if it is only a symbol, you certainly don't want to lose it, precisely because it IS a symbol. If you carry something to symbolize status, then losing the symbol is tantamount to losing status -- until you get hold of another such symbol.
It follows the belt if it is short enough, but the longer it is, the more it wants to hang forward and down. Depending on the stiffness of the leather it really is annoying to have it flapping about if you don't have any place to put it. Tying it is an obvious solution which makes the end hang straight down, and not flap at all. Of course, in the first picture you posted, the belt in question is at a 45 degree angle, which means the belt end will come out at a 45 degree angle if you tie it as well (and thus flap just as much). In the second one I have no idea why it hangs the way it does, and that is not how a leather belt would hang anyway. But it's from an effigy, so they can make things hang as unnaturally as they want for aesthetic purposes.
The reason for long belt ends, by the way, can be numerous. Could be a simple as fashion. But you want a little bit extra to allow for horizontal growth, at any rate.
I am reminded, by the way, of the sageo on Japanese scabbards. Its main purpose is decorative, but serves a practical purpose in securing the saya while wearing it. What people do with the sageo varies, though. Some tie it to the hakama, some tie it to the obi, some on the right side some on the left, and still others simply leave it dangling. I find the last option inelegant, but it's their business. However, just because you can find people who let their sageos dangle freely about, doesn't make this the norm, or even acceptable everywhere.
Very interesting discussion, lads, but won't you think making a thread in the historical session is more appropriate than lengthening this one?
I became particularly interested on that topic, don't let it die, but I don't think this is the place to discuss it in depth.
I became particularly interested on that topic, don't let it die, but I don't think this is the place to discuss it in depth.
Yep, probably best.
P.S. third picture related to the suggestion of a belt-less surcoat
P.S. third picture related to the suggestion of a belt-less surcoat
Im wondering, where do I download all the other helemtes and armors? Like the crowned helmet and the crusader coat. Also when I downloaded the medieval helmet pack it only comes ith brf's, not item kinds code. Im not so good with this type of stuff, but I really want these in Native.
Sorry im nooby
Sorry im nooby
I donated 5€, I know it isn't much, but thats all I can spare for now.
Aeropostale 说:
Good man.
You deserve more, those helms look awesome in Mercenaries mod!dejawolf 说:
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Could some one please make a tutorial on how to add these helmets to the game. I have attempted to add them my self but things did not go well.
