Martial Arts
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Gopblin
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Actually, I'd like to see an unarmed fighter try to do damage to an armored opponent.
C'mon, I've been hit on the helmet with dull greatswords and kept fighting without problems (tower helmets rock
), don't tell me a kick will be stronger than that.
PS. Not to mention hitting steel plates would HURT unless you wear steel boots or something.
PPS. Knockdowns and grips are another matter. Provided you don't get chopped in half getting close enough (which you would), I guess you could wrestle with someone regardless of how much armor they're wearing. And get their weapon if your STR is much higher.
Best wishes,
Daniel.
C'mon, I've been hit on the helmet with dull greatswords and kept fighting without problems (tower helmets rock
), don't tell me a kick will be stronger than that.PS. Not to mention hitting steel plates would HURT unless you wear steel boots or something.
PPS. Knockdowns and grips are another matter. Provided you don't get chopped in half getting close enough (which you would), I guess you could wrestle with someone regardless of how much armor they're wearing. And get their weapon if your STR is much higher.
Best wishes,
Daniel.
No name
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Actually there are unarmed martial arts that target specifically against armoured and armed fighters. If i am not wrong, in feudal Japan, the household women are trained in some form of judo in case of an attack by fully decked out samurais. They slam or trip them cos being armoured makes them hard to get up. Then the women can proceed to step on their face.
Of course, it depends on which form of martial arts you're talking about. Western martial arts which comprises mostly of wrestling and brawling (correct me if i am wrong) wouldnt do much to armoured or hordes. Eastern may have more potential though. Anyone played the game Oni? If martial arts is going to be added, maybe it can follow that system.
By the way, i have seen a TKD guy jab and break a brick. With his fingers.
Of course, it depends on which form of martial arts you're talking about. Western martial arts which comprises mostly of wrestling and brawling (correct me if i am wrong) wouldnt do much to armoured or hordes. Eastern may have more potential though. Anyone played the game Oni? If martial arts is going to be added, maybe it can follow that system.
By the way, i have seen a TKD guy jab and break a brick. With his fingers.
Sir Saladin
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Yeah, and the Bhuddist monks in China could defend themselves against bandit soldiers that were using spears and weapons even though the monks were forbidden to have any but I think it would change the game way to much to have a bunch of Bruce Lee's leaping around and killing Dark Hunters with their feet. Even though I really like Bruce Lee.
Maolvar
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No name said:
Judo was founded by Jigoro Kano in 1882.
Whether they were from Asia or Europe, only a moron would try to fight against armed enemy without any weapons.
Breaking bricks or other objects are just parlor tricks and as impressive as this guy's clothing.
The unarmed combat system should be just few different basic punches, and maybe kicks, but nothing like spinning kicks or stuff like that.
Worbah
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Maolvar said:
I too feel that martial arts as such have a place in the game. River Pirates trained in Hapkido? No thanks. But I do feel that some kind of 'dirty tricks' should be added. kicking the enemy to the balls when he attempts an overhead swing. Grappling an enemy when you block. That type of thing.
Worbah said:
Exactly, i agree with this.
Gopblin
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About household women and monks...
As a general rule, even if they were forbidden from using weapons, they didn't resort to bare hands. Staffs, rocks, agricultural implements like nunchuks and kamas were widely used for self-defense. Generally - for defense against bandits armed with the same stuff, not organised professional soldiers.
An unarmed woman attacking a samurai would be easily slashed in half unless she's very fast, very lucky, or the samurai is looking the other way.
My personal experience of going against swords unarmored and armed with knives (it's rather small since I'm not a total masochist) tells me this: it's very risky, very painful, and involves a _lot_ of dodging as you charge in.
PS. And about breaking bricks: Once a _very_good_ taekwondo fighter unexpectedly put a series of strong punches in the back of my helmet. It did ring a lot and even hurt a tiny bit, but he appeared to be hurt much more despite wearing gloves.
Best wishes,
Daniel.
As a general rule, even if they were forbidden from using weapons, they didn't resort to bare hands. Staffs, rocks, agricultural implements like nunchuks and kamas were widely used for self-defense. Generally - for defense against bandits armed with the same stuff, not organised professional soldiers.
An unarmed woman attacking a samurai would be easily slashed in half unless she's very fast, very lucky, or the samurai is looking the other way.
My personal experience of going against swords unarmored and armed with knives (it's rather small since I'm not a total masochist) tells me this: it's very risky, very painful, and involves a _lot_ of dodging as you charge in.
PS. And about breaking bricks: Once a _very_good_ taekwondo fighter unexpectedly put a series of strong punches in the back of my helmet. It did ring a lot and even hurt a tiny bit, but he appeared to be hurt much more despite wearing gloves.
Best wishes,
Daniel.
Maybe when you complain about game being too easy and someone tells you "Well dump your troops and your goods and THEN fight those dark knights." (Kinda pathetic really).
I can't see martial arts as feasible. Nut kicks might work if they worked in some situations only and could be easily accesable.
(Kinda pathetic really).I can't see martial arts as feasible. Nut kicks might work if they worked in some situations only and could be easily accesable.
kroc
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i didnt say to fight only with naked hands.. (by the way, you could be stealth and sneak behind somone and crack his neck)
well... with swords its not really martial arts, is it?
but they did use staffs...
and a samurai has a lot of weight on him, so hes not as fast as somoen without it, so he is easily ..evaded.. and his weak spot is his back and sides(mostly sides) so you could tickle him and wait till he dies...
doom strategie for killing one of strongest monsters: take off armour and weapons, run in the arena with only your hands and wait till the monster dies of laughter... (old joke)
well... with swords its not really martial arts, is it?
but they did use staffs...
and a samurai has a lot of weight on him, so hes not as fast as somoen without it, so he is easily ..evaded.. and his weak spot is his back and sides(mostly sides) so you could tickle him and wait till he dies...
doom strategie for killing one of strongest monsters: take off armour and weapons, run in the arena with only your hands and wait till the monster dies of laughter... (old joke)
Ryuta
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Judo was founded by Kano Jigoro. It's right. But what he did was to combine various unarmed martial arts techniques existed in Japan and made them less leathal, and finally, added 'Sportsmanship' (Until then, the conception of 'fair' is very different from western one in Japan).
Usually, Unarmed combat techniques (called Jujitsu) are very close to wrestling and many were supplement to other martial arts. It's very risky, but not really unrealistic because in extreme close range, sword or spear is too big to use properly.
But as long as the game's system is concerned, there's no need to implement (unarmed) martial arts. You can attack the enemy in extreme close range with your 2hander without penalty and you don't lose your weapon unless you have only a bow and arrows.
Usually, Unarmed combat techniques (called Jujitsu) are very close to wrestling and many were supplement to other martial arts. It's very risky, but not really unrealistic because in extreme close range, sword or spear is too big to use properly.
But as long as the game's system is concerned, there's no need to implement (unarmed) martial arts. You can attack the enemy in extreme close range with your 2hander without penalty and you don't lose your weapon unless you have only a bow and arrows.
nightrunn3r
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I'd think something like this as more of a side feature, something that'd be added on after the game is near complete. I'd think things like shoving with shields, hitting people with hilts, ect. would be more realistic.
PS. I have hit a metal plate near as hard as i could bareknuckled (i was angry). If your fist is folded right, it doesn't really hurt too much. Nonetheless, it's a rather stupid idea.
PS. I have hit a metal plate near as hard as i could bareknuckled (i was angry). If your fist is folded right, it doesn't really hurt too much. Nonetheless, it's a rather stupid idea.
Can O Soup
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It would be a bad idea to hit anyone wearing plate armor in the balls, now that I think about it. Many suits of armor had a spike somewhere near the bottom just in case this happened.
catsoup
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i think martial arts should actually be included. Perhaps not the unarmed combat (which was, in contrary to the stereotypes, quiet far developed in the middle ages in europe as well.), but weapon arts. hans talhoffer developed quiet a few mean tricks with any kind of armament used in m&b. It would be nice to see the stronger opponents doing them. those are mostly disarmament and surprise strikes like readying the sword for an overhead strike and doing an uppercut with it instead.
shroom2021
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I would like to see an ability to grapple opponents. Not quite like kicking them in the chin, but it would be extremely effective for archers only carrying a dagger to grab a pursuers sword hand use their dagger to gut him. This would also make mounted riders a little more cautious about riding head long into a mob of peasants as they would be pulled of their mount and mutilated the moment their horse stopped charging.
