Marriage as a Woman

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I'm playing as a women, and I just got married. However, there seem to be no advantages to getting married except a storage container I don't use.  according to the wiki "For a woman adventurer, marriage can be a quick path to power and an unscrupulous character may be able to use her husband as a tool of her political ambitions." But i dont see that
 
well if your husband has a castle/city you can manage his garrison like it's your own, take and deposit troops and prisioners, it's a good start if you don't have many soldiers and/or money to recruit/train them
 
I'm playing as a women, and I just got married. However, there seem to be no advantages to getting married except a storage container I don't use.  according to the wiki "For a woman adventurer, marriage can be a quick path to power and an unscrupulous character may be able to use her husband as a tool of her political ambitions." But i dont see that

Well, getting married does enable you to throw feasts, which is very useful if you're aiming to have your own kingdom.

I've posted this before, but there are several advantages to playing as a female character:

  • You're not constantly losing relation with kings because you keep rejecting their offers of vassalship.
  • You don't have to suck up to a guy and his daughter/sister in order to get married.
  • You don't have to come up with a dowry or wait until you get a castle/town to get married.
  • You don't have to memorize any bad poetry.
  • You'll never have to duel anyone over a love affair.
  • As long as you're married, rebelling and keeping your properties is easy.
  • You can garrison troops in any property your husband owns, free of charge.  You can also take troops from his properties. 
  • You can steal high-value prisoners from his properties as well, and you get the ransom!
  • You're guaranteed at least 1 vassal for your kingdom right away.

The one in bold writing is the chief advantage of playing as a female character, and what the wiki means when they say you can use a husband as a political tool: Join a faction, get married, and rack up a bunch of fiefs together with your husband.  Once you're rich enough and have a lot of properties between the two of you, convince your husband that you really should be Queen of Calradia, and you've instantly rebelled with all the properties you jointly own, and with your husband as a vassal.  No need to wait to get rejected for a fief, no need to lose your properties.  Or, take up a claimant's cause, convince a lord to join the cause as well and marry him, and have the claimant assign all fiefs to you and/or your husband.  Then, tell the claimant you don't think their rebellion will succeed and withdraw.  Now you've got most of their territories and you've weakened both the original faction and the claimant's faction, so they're easy to conquer.  If you have the Diplomacy mod, you can also marry a claimant directly, but then you don't get to rule personally.
 
Huh, I didn't know that. I guess I should start a new game in WB and give becoming the Queen of Calradia a go.
 
So I started a new game in Warband as a non-noble female. What's my path to becoming Queen of Calradia?
 
JosieJ hopefully will be around soon.  Until then, probably the easiest way to get to the top is by going down.
 
Lord Brutus 说:
JosieJ hopefully will be around soon.  Until then, probably the easiest way to get to the top is by going down.

This literally made me squirt soda through my nose.

Anyways, when I first started as a female character I usually badmouthed every person (noble) whom I met, which led to minus (or additional) relations or duels, and boosted my virtual ego.

 
I rather meant that should I get married to a lord or become a lady first, when to pledge my support to a king or a claimant and so on.
 
Jhessail 说:
I rather meant that should I get married to a lord or become a lady first, when to pledge my support to a king or a claimant and so on.

I find the best way to proceed is to get an idea of the personalities of the lords and take a look at their distribution amongst the starting kingdoms. You want to be thinking about how you will get the best lords to your kingdom; those being the Upstanding and Good-Natured lords. These guys are extremely loyal and won't be randomly defecting to other kingdoms. So your ideal target husband is:

a) Good-Natured (Upstanding lords won't want to marry a warrior lady)
b) Owns a castle (best that he starts with one so you are guaranteed an extra property coming your way
c) In a faction that DOES NOT have a lot of other Good-Natured or Upstanding lords

Your husband will always join your revolt if he likes you enough, which is pretty easy to accomplish with Good-Natured lords, so that's one freebie lord that would otherwise be very hard to pry away from his liege.

It is important to not have a lot of good lords on the faction you're going to join, because the only two ways that good lords lose relation with their liege is by being defeated in combat, or by seeing their fellow lords be indicted for treason. The treason thing is a wash, because mid-game, a lot of lords will be bouncing around  (also, the indicted lord's properties will usually be given to the good lords, cancelling out the loss there). The one thing you can control though, is personally beating the snot out of the good lords, to lower their relationship with their liege, thereby making it easier to convince them to defect to you when the time comes.

With those things in mind, you want to do your typical leveling up, equipping yourself, setting up enterprises, and gathering companions as an independent/mercenary while you scout out the potential best husband.  Then join the faction of your husband, get married, and start carving out some juicy cities for yourself. With enough renown, it shouldn't be too hard to get at least two assigned to you. Try to not severely weaken one faction to the point where it can be eliminated by someone else until you have actually rebelled and are in a position to find the good lords that would be dispersed, and bring them into your kingdom.

You can use the claimant if you want; this provides the advantage of being able to use faction-specific troops to fight against that faction without taking the penalty to morale. But you would have to convince your husband to join the rebellion; he won't join without a persuasion check. I find it easier to collect some elite troops that don't belong to your faction and rebel using those troops.
 
I don't have a lot to add to what Alyiakal posted in terms of the ideal husband, except I don't necessarily restrict my choice to upstanding lords who already own castles, as that would narrow it down too much!  Plus, I generally take a castle when I'm ready to join a faction, so I start off with property.  I also generally stay in the faction long enough to rack up a respectable amount of properties, so I'm not relying on my husband to carry the whole load.  I also do some merc work for various factions before joining one, which lets me beat up on lords in the field and then let them go for increased relation and honor.

I spend the early game riding around, trading, joining tournaments, beating up on bandits and ransoming them and selling their stuff, starting enterprises in as many towns as I can, and doing merc work for different factions.  This is also an ideal opportunity to suss out the eligible lords in each faction.  The Diplomacy mod makes this a whole lot easier, as it will tell you the personality of a lord and his relation to his liege once you meet him, and will also announce marriages the same way the Native game announces fief assignments, so you can tell right away who's off the market!
 
JosieJ 说:
  • You're guaranteed at least 1 vassal for your kingdom right away.

I'm doing it for the achievements, you see, I already put Lady Isolla on the throne, but my husband (Count Despin) never accepted joining our rebellion, now he is with the Nords, my next step is make my own faction, how do I get the prat to join my faction then?
 
I don't think that husbands automatically join you when you do the claimant's quest (which is why I suggested convincing a single lord to join the rebels and then marrying him), but I'm fairly sure that husbands will automatically rebel with you when you tell them you should be Queen of Calradia.  I don't think it'll work unless you start out in the same faction as your husband, though, so starting another game, joining a faction, marrying, building up properties together with your husband and then rebelling may be your best bet.  However, if you are able to convince your husband to join your faction, you might be able to do it in your current game.

Edited to add:  although, thinking of it further, you might want to test out whether he will agree to rebel while you are still in separate factions, since I've never personally tested that theory.  You might keep a separate save and try it--I'd be very interested to know if it works!
 
JosieJ 说:
I don't think that husbands automatically join you when you do the claimant's quest (which is why I suggested convincing a single lord to join the rebels and then marrying him), but I'm fairly sure that husbands will automatically rebel with you when you tell them you should be Queen of Calradia.  I don't think it'll work unless you start out in the same faction as your husband, though, so starting another game, joining a faction, marrying, building up properties together with your husband and then rebelling may be your best bet.  However, if you are able to convince your husband to join your faction, you might be able to do it in your current game.

Edited to add:  although, thinking of it further, you might want to test out whether he will agree to rebel while you are still in separate factions, since I've never personally tested that theory.  You might keep a separate save and try it--I'd be very interested to know if it works!

I'm doing this, and my husband was from Swadia but now he's with the Nords, and I'm the Queen of my own faction (Duchy of Praven), I'll test and give you an answer as soon as I find it out.
 
Reading all of this, I didn't realize how op marriage as a woman is.

(......not that my character would ever marry anyone from Calradia :razz:)  (Also, too complicated to explain why)

The one thing I do miss out on by not marrying is the lack of being able to throw feasts for my vassals for relations and whatnot...which is kind of annoying....

Oh well, pretend solo feasts for me and my team then!  :party:
 
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