Margaret Thatcher is dead

[Lord Burgess1]

And at no point did she do what was needed for the country, since she had no concern for anyone outside the tory fiefdoms. They did well under her. But outside that? Record unemployment, degradation of their communities and demonising of all those she deemed 'the enemy within'. If anything, it was the easy choice for her to pull the rug from under the working class.

I say this as a traditional Socialist voter, it was practically a 50-50 split of working classes as to whether you improved or not it was by no means 'if you weren't rich it got worse'. You conveniently gloss over what it was like in the 70's, 3 day weeks, rolling black outs and the Winter of discontent. My family did alright by Thatcherism, it allowed us to buy our council house, which without that my mum and dad would be in a much worse position than they are now.

 

[kenski1]

Well considering the only other organised events took place in two towns nobody has ever heard of in the far North East with very little participation, I think people overestimate her hatred in some parts. Unfortunately what she done was not popular, but was needed, she know what needed to be done and performed it knowing full well the hatred it would cause, but she made the hard choice and did what had to be done for Britain.

It's small news in actuality, her mortal body is dead but her taint remains. There's really not all that much to rejoice about. Her legacy of greed and inequality have only grown since she was turfed out by her own party.

And at no point did she do what was needed for the country, since she had no concern for anyone outside the tory fiefdoms. They did well under her. But outside that? Record unemployment, degradation of their communities and demonising of all those she deemed 'the enemy within'. If anything, it was the easy choice for her to pull the rug from under the working class.

Unfortunately she was right in what she did but the main reason for these downfalls was that she overestimated the help those who lost their jobs would receive in their area towards employment and overestimated the strength of northern mining communities to work together without the mines and she failed to build up industry else where to replace the failing mines.

People seem to concentrate on the things that were not in favor of the working class instead of looking at what she did for them Thatcher's right-to-buy scheme, the unions dominated the country we were like France is now with strikes for almost every small problem the country was crippled and her way to fix this was to take away the limping mans walking stick and have him adjust to the new way, she made a national curriculum making the chances for impoverished children to receive the same education as the child in Eton possible

 

[tommylaw]

Unfortunately she was right in what she did but the main reason for these downfalls was that she overestimated the help those who lost their jobs would receive in their area towards employment and overestimated the strength of northern mining communities to work together without the mines and she failed to build up industry else where to replace the failing mines.

It's somehow due to a deficiency of those working class people to suffer when their economic viability was taken from that. 

And she didn't fail in that last aspect, because she didn't try. Those communities most reliant on their local industry were simply left for the wolves. The temerity of her to condemn so many people to the dole then accuse them of laziness.

The fact is the number of unemployed doubled under her during her first term, from 1.5 million to 3 million (it later exceeded this number). In what world is that not regarded as a failure.

People seem to concentrate on the things that were not in favor of the working class instead of looking at what she did for them Thatcher's right-to-buy scheme,

Sure, only those council houses were not replaced, and those that remained were ones in areas of limited economic opportunities.

the unions dominated the country we were like France is now with strikes for almost every small problem

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=304986.msg11546681#msg11546681

her way to fix this was to take away the limping mans walking stick and have him adjust to the new way,

And the limping man is, as you said, an "idiot" for resenting this?

 

[Falkner92]

You know, I'm probably setting myself to be flamed here, but I'll say what I have to say anyway.

Most of the hatred for her is unjustified, mos of the things she's blamed for started before she came to power. And you know, she might not have been all sunshine and rainbows, but so what? Winston Churchill was an alcoholic and by all accounts, an absolutely insufferable man, but he was still widely considered one of the greatest British prime ministers of modern times.

To all you Brits out there, you live in a time where your country is flooded with 3rd world immigrants who only came to Britain for the welfare and where you can't even deport terrorists from your own soil because the European court of human rights says you can't. From what I know of Margaret Thatcher, she wouldn't have let any of that bs happen.

 

[FrisianDude]

... that last part was just... just bad.

 

[Kobrag]

Yarp.
And whilst Abu Hamsa is rather disliked, he hasn't done anything illegal in the UK that he hasn't already been imprisoned, and subsequently released, for.
It's rather Ironic that most of the people pushing for his departure are the ones who always complain that their is no right to free speech anymore.

As for the flooded part, it is rather hyperbolic. You don't see many low generation immigrants outside the big cities.

 

[tommylaw]

As for the flooded part, it is rather hyperbolic. You don't see many low generation immigrants outside the big cities.

Not to mention a smaller proportion of immigrants claim welfare support than native Brits.

To all you Brits out there, you live in a time where your country is flooded with 3rd world immigrants who only came to Britain for the welfare and where you can't even deport terrorists from your own soil because the European court of human rights says you can't. From what I know of Margaret Thatcher, she wouldn't have let any of that bs happen.

You're an idiot and nothing you say will ever matter.

 

[Úlfheðinn]

Am I the only one who was tempted to claim they loved Margaret Thatcher just to be different?

I was so close to adding something on my FB account just to annoy a small number of left leaning people I know in Sweden, at least the ones were quick to point out terrible she was in their view.

Perhaps I am too much of a troll in real life? 

 

[Kobrag]

Vodka is for nappy wearing adult babies. :3

 

[Úlfheðinn]

I forgive your misguided attempt at humor Kobrag, for I know that you cannot help your ignorance in this matter.

 

[Kobrag]

I grew out of huffing vodka when I realised the sophisticated pleasures other drink provided that the potato based paint stripper does not.
If you argue this, it is only a confirmation of the damage such a childish drink has done to not only to your psyche, but your taste-buds well. 

 

[dinnerdog2zero]

I grew out of huffing vodka when I realised the sophisticated pleasures other drink provided that the potato based paint stripper does not.
If you argue this, it is only a confirmation of the damage such a childish drink has done to not only to your psyche, but your taste-buds well. 

Blasphemy!

May Chernobog feast on your entrails!

 

[Mage246]

Vodka has its place. Strong stuff, and not unpleasant if you can handle it. Avoid the bargain vodka though - that stuff is only tolerable well-mixed with something that dilutes the taste.

 

[Mad Vader]

I agree with Kobrag and wonder at the ethanol-tolerant peasants that consume such a beverage. Remember that you are supposed to enjoy drinking, alcohol should not be an unpleasant oblivion-inducing drug.

 

[Mage246]

Isn't that most people's attitude toward hard liquor? Though I've never been oblivion-induced or wanted to be from alcohol of any kind, it's always been pretty obvious in my experience when it comes to shots and the like.

 

[Sir Saladin]

If you take small sips from a glass of whiskey it can be an enjoyable alternative to guzzling beer but I don't think anyone sips straight vodka. That stuff needs to be forced down in large gulps.

 

[Mage246]

I've been known to sip it if its the right kind.

 

[Úlfheðinn]

I don't know, coming from a culture that drinks Akvavit/Schnaps and living in another that also drinks strong liquor straight, vodka (again as Mage said, not the cheap paint-thinner sort) tastes good to me.

Granted, I usually avoid chugging half a bottle just to get drunk.

Really, I find most alcohol is good so long as it is of at least some quality and one drinks properly, i.e. not like a fifteen year old trying to be cool.

 

[Malanthor]

A bit late but I reckon the old hag can roast well and long down there.
And speaking of 20 year olds, even if you wasn't alive back when you can still hate on someone with a passion because they represent everything that's wrong with society or for multiple other reasons.
But then many do it just to cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war. Sadly enough.