Lord Burgess1
The species 'baby' it isn't a difficult concept Llandy.
Male Circumcision - why still legal?
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Response to OP:
Why it should be illegal? This is pretty much like abortion, albeit there's only person's skin at the stake.
Why it should be illegal? This is pretty much like abortion, albeit there's only person's skin at the stake.
FrisianDude
Archduke
he's laughing because that shthe CIRP again, which he just said wasn't much slightly earlierAmontadillo 说:
Swordmaster 说:
..........it's actually nothing like abortion.
Duke Daniel Milutin
Banned
What encourages you to attack individuals to make up for your complexes, Llandy? No, you are not less of a self-enjoying troll than a regular newbie forumite.Pharaoh Llandy 说:
Amontadillo 说:
Did you read the article? If so, you'll notice that the vast majority of their sources are either fifty years old or are from articles published from their own website.
As Mage so eloquently stated earlier (and I unjustly called him out on it at the time)...
They are a completely biased and unreliable source.
In the end it's all about parental consent. I find the practice of circumcision stupid personally but I don't think that people shouldn't be banned from doing it.
Adorno 说:
An infant is not capable of making medical decisions for themselves at the time in which a circumcision would take place, which is why parents are given the right to make medical decisions for them.
You don't have to agree on that (that's what we are here for!), but that is the current position of pretty much every major medical authority, which means that the burden of proof is on those claiming circumcision should be banned unless absolutely necessary.
This is all probably stated more eloquently by the AAP.
http://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/pages/Newborn-Male-Circumcision.aspx?nfstatus=401&nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token
Until we can reject the null hypothesis (that infant circumcision is not significantly harmful), I feel that parents should be allowed to circumcise their children.
Adorno 说:
Circumcision is a religious custom, so it's a personal right. And by saying it has similiarities to abortion I meant something like this: Say abortion is illegal, if you decide on having an abortion you'd seek doctors that do in secret, probably in unsterile conditions or go to a country that allows abortion right? Same can happen with circumcision.
So it is restrictive for religious people if you ban circumcision, even though I agree that the decision should be given only to the person who would like to have a circumcision.
Varalir
Sergeant Knight
Don't cut a piece of flesh of an infant. It will have that scar for the rest of it's life. It's like tattooing a kid only you can't feel your **** and it's impossible to masturbate without lubricant.
I feel the rights of children are pretty bad. A bunch of Icelandic kids were taken to Denmark a year or two ago. The father was abusive and there was medical evidence of this. The children are still begging to come home to their mother but nothing is ever done. It's horrible.
I feel the rights of children are pretty bad. A bunch of Icelandic kids were taken to Denmark a year or two ago. The father was abusive and there was medical evidence of this. The children are still begging to come home to their mother but nothing is ever done. It's horrible.
Varalir
Sergeant Knight
Moose! 说:Varalir 说:
What?
Also, hooray! Now both sides have someone arguing for them that will do more harm then good for their respective positions!
That was a joke. I don't think I harmed the side in any way. It is harder to masturbate without lubricant as a circumcee.
You sound like you were circumcised before. Careful now, don't bring the wrath of the Norse gods.
Amontadillo 说:
This isn't a particularly compelling article. Two sources, one is fairly outdated (I'll see if I can access that one though to review it), the other is from the organization which supports my position.
Also, I don't see how this supports your initial argument - they make a point about risks, but they don't go into whether these effects will significantly impact an individual later in life.
Finally, the conclusion of the article doesn't really contradict my position. I'm not arguing for routine circumcision.
Amontadillo 说:
Thanks - this is a much better article. A bit outdated, but that in and of itself isn't grounds for critique. I'll look and see whether or not this was included in the AAP's analysis of relevant literature regarding the medical risks and benefits of circumcision.
Actually, hold on, found something pretty wonky in it. Go to the section for Long-term psychological effects. The data was collected from the Circumcision Resource Center, and men who went there reported feelings of loss, anger and shame. The article states that these men attributed these feelings to circumcision (not that circumcision was necessarily the cause). However, most importantly, look at where this data is coming from - this is not exactly a random sample we are talking about here, which means it will be impossible to extend these results to a larger population. If you want evidence against circumcision, you can surely find it by going to these circumcision "support groups" for men that hate theirs for one reason or another. That is not the same thing as providing empirical evidence against circumcision.
Varalir
Sergeant Knight
I think it's pretty easy to imagine having a penis without foreskin. Just try masturbating by pulling yours all the way back and start a-shakin'. Even imagining it is pretty painful. But I guess the destroyed nerves change some things.
Still. Making a major bodily decision for a being that can't give you its consent at that time is stupid. And pretty nasty.
Still. Making a major bodily decision for a being that can't give you its consent at that time is stupid. And pretty nasty.
