13 Spider Bloody Chain
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Is it possible at all for a skilled coder to convert m&b into, say, a dmg. file? This might have been done with Jedi Academy, I think 
Macintosh Conversion?
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zwaps
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Simple Answer: No. Never.
Jedi Academy has been converted by the developer. This is possible but it takes almost complete recoding, as Mac is a whole different architecture, has different hardware and so on. It equals recoding it to maybe a Playstation.
A modder can not do it.
Even the God of Reverse Engineering could probably not do it.
Armagan could do it, but why should he?
Jedi Academy has been converted by the developer. This is possible but it takes almost complete recoding, as Mac is a whole different architecture, has different hardware and so on. It equals recoding it to maybe a Playstation.
A modder can not do it.
Even the God of Reverse Engineering could probably not do it.
Armagan could do it, but why should he?
13 Spider Bloody Chain
Grandmaster Knight
*sigh*
I still can't belive how my friends managed to convince me to get a mac...
I still can't belive how my friends managed to convince me to get a mac...
And you still call them .... friends?
corksacker69
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cant you just take the source and compile it using a c++ compiler for mac machines? yeah you would need to change some stuff, like how io is handled, but not everything.
13 Spider Bloody Chain
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Narcissus said:And you still call them .... friends?
actually, since macs are more or less immune to viruses, i can dl all the stuff I want with impunity XD
13 Spider Bloody Chain said:Narcissus said:And you still call them .... friends?
actually, since macs are more or less immune to viruses, i can dl all the stuff I want with impunity XD
The reason why is because viruses are created for PCs. If Macs were the most popular computers ... then all the 1337 hAxOrZ would then be making viruses for Macs ... and PCs would be more or less immune to viruses.
I can always defeat you in the Mac vs PC battle ... ready? My PC can run ... (drumroll) ... Mount & Blade!
Sorry ... I had to do that!
Narcissus
Can O Soup
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Not all mac mouses are the single click variety.
Glanmor
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If you guys are going to start a platform war, then at least get your facts straight.
You can't just compress an exe as a dmg and have it run. You'd have to port it and compile it, which is a time comsuming task because of all the things you have to convert to the PPC chip. There are numerous porting houses filled with programmers that make a living by porting software... It's a time-consuming, and often difficult, job... People aren't able to just do it on a whim.
You can easily dumpster dive for a PC able to play M&B, though, or you could spend $150 or so to buy one. You don't need a machine capable of playing Doom 3 on max settings in order to play M&B. The machine I play it on is my recently retired Linux server that was made in 2001; not top of the line, but plays M&B just fine.
Immunity by obscurity is a notion that no person knowledgeable in the security scene actually believes.
It didn't work for Microsoft by keeping Windows inner workings under lock and key, and it didn't work for Apple when there were viruses for Mac OS 8 (the time when Apple's marketshare was lowest).
I thought the "Macs only have 1 mouse button" myth was dispelled 10 years ago. I've been using multibutton mice on Macs since 1997 and they work just as well as on Windows.
Cmon guys, if you want to have a platform war (which I'm sure the mods would not approve of), then at least try giving some decent arguements.
Or perhaps it would just be better to be more welcoming to the thread creator. He may not have a PC, but any person with interest in Mount & Blade benefits the project.
You can't just compress an exe as a dmg and have it run. You'd have to port it and compile it, which is a time comsuming task because of all the things you have to convert to the PPC chip. There are numerous porting houses filled with programmers that make a living by porting software... It's a time-consuming, and often difficult, job... People aren't able to just do it on a whim.
You can easily dumpster dive for a PC able to play M&B, though, or you could spend $150 or so to buy one. You don't need a machine capable of playing Doom 3 on max settings in order to play M&B. The machine I play it on is my recently retired Linux server that was made in 2001; not top of the line, but plays M&B just fine.
Narcissus said:13 Spider Bloody Chain said:actually, since macs are more or less immune to viruses, i can dl all the stuff I want with impunity XDNarcissus said:And you still call them .... friends?
The reason why is because viruses are created for PCs. If Macs were the most popular computers ... then all the 1337 hAxOrZ would then be making viruses for Macs ... and PCs would be more or less immune to viruses.
I can always defeat you in the Mac vs PC battle ... ready? My PC can run ... (drumroll) ... Mount & Blade!
Sorry ... I had to do that!
Narcissus
Immunity by obscurity is a notion that no person knowledgeable in the security scene actually believes.
It didn't work for Microsoft by keeping Windows inner workings under lock and key, and it didn't work for Apple when there were viruses for Mac OS 8 (the time when Apple's marketshare was lowest).
chadz said:And not to forget you couldn't block/parry!
I thought the "Macs only have 1 mouse button" myth was dispelled 10 years ago. I've been using multibutton mice on Macs since 1997 and they work just as well as on Windows.
Cmon guys, if you want to have a platform war (which I'm sure the mods would not approve of), then at least try giving some decent arguements.
Or perhaps it would just be better to be more welcoming to the thread creator. He may not have a PC, but any person with interest in Mount & Blade benefits the project.
Welcome to the forums!
Interesting first post ...
I dread saying this ... but I didn't realize that we were having a 'platform war'. I was under the impression that we were joking and playing around.
Thanks for all the info ... and hope to see you around.
Narcissus
Interesting first post ...
I dread saying this ... but I didn't realize that we were having a 'platform war'. I was under the impression that we were joking and playing around.
Thanks for all the info ... and hope to see you around.
Narcissus
Ancientwanker
Master Knight
"Immunity by obscurity" does work for a browser like Firefox, which gets far less attention than explorer. Its like driving a car thats not high on the theft list, you draw less attention.
13 Spider Bloody Chain
Grandmaster Knight
Narcissus said:13 Spider Bloody Chain said:Narcissus said:And you still call them .... friends?
actually, since macs are more or less immune to viruses, i can dl all the stuff I want with impunity XD
The reason why is because viruses are created for PCs. If Macs were the most popular computers ... then all the 1337 hAxOrZ would then be making viruses for Macs ... and PCs would be more or less immune to viruses.
I can always defeat you in the Mac vs PC battle ... ready? My PC can run ... (drumroll) ... Mount & Blade!
Sorry ... I had to do that!
Narcissus
ARGH! Damn you Narcissus!
back on topic...
Huh...I had a hunch that conversions weren't easy, but I didn't know that it was THAT complicated
zwaps
Recruit
I will go into detail for you.
First, copy protection.
I am pretty sure the program or mechanism is not available for Macintosh. Armagan would need to license a new one. MONEY!
Second, Windows API.
This is probably the framework which Armagan uses. It enables him to draw his main window, use basic Input/Output stuff, read files etc. You have to find something else on mac.
Third, DirectX.
As far as I know, M&B uses DX. It is a windows only. To change it to, let's say, OpenGL makes major changes in the engine necessary. Actually you would have to change everything except basic game logic.
Fourth, the hardware.
Numerous hours would go into performance testing, compatibility and of course, Armagan would need to buy several Macs.
Fifth, updates.
When fixing the engine or updating something, things would have totally different effects on those two versions (see padded cloth). It would take twice as long to change anything, because you would need to do it twice, both times different.
There is more, but those are some reasons this will not happen. Sorry.
By the way, on my Powerbook (the best right now), gaming performance is horrible. I could not see M&B working on any Mac anyways.
First, copy protection.
I am pretty sure the program or mechanism is not available for Macintosh. Armagan would need to license a new one. MONEY!
Second, Windows API.
This is probably the framework which Armagan uses. It enables him to draw his main window, use basic Input/Output stuff, read files etc. You have to find something else on mac.
Third, DirectX.
As far as I know, M&B uses DX. It is a windows only. To change it to, let's say, OpenGL makes major changes in the engine necessary. Actually you would have to change everything except basic game logic.
Fourth, the hardware.
Numerous hours would go into performance testing, compatibility and of course, Armagan would need to buy several Macs.
Fifth, updates.
When fixing the engine or updating something, things would have totally different effects on those two versions (see padded cloth). It would take twice as long to change anything, because you would need to do it twice, both times different.
There is more, but those are some reasons this will not happen. Sorry.
By the way, on my Powerbook (the best right now), gaming performance is horrible. I could not see M&B working on any Mac anyways.
Fujiwara
Sergeant at Arms
b/c Windows is, for better or worse, the dominant platform. It's an issue of diminishing returns. Do you write and app with tools that MS at least nominally supports (DirectX) or go it alone in an effort to get everyone to play (OpenGL)? And, Armagan may only know DirectX, or may not have the time to learn OpenGL, etc...
