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Should modding tools be 'released'


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Hallelujah! But what do you think, should modding tools be 'released' and what do you think about TW's decision to release them?
 
I didn't mind waiting for the modding tools originally but at this point I'm probably not playing again until they are out. I can't fault TW for the pace of their updates, but often as not they are taking things in completely the wrong direction for me.
 
They should release the modding tools asap so that modding community can focus on adding the missing content and provide workarounds to known issues while TW developers do... uhmmm...stuff?
 
Tournaments: dull repetitive

Marriage: boring non eventful

Town scenes: Boring/nothing to do/ no reason to visit them

We need modders badly.
 
but often as not they are taking things in completely the wrong direction for me.

I feel the same way. The vision that the developers have for this game does not match what I wanted to see in a sequel to Warband. After watching them flail about for the last two months I have to wonder if they actually know what they want the finished product to be.

My plan is to wait for the game to be "finished" and then see if it's possible to mod it into something more playable.
 
Hallelujah! But what do you think, should modding tools be 'released' and what do you think about TW's decision to release them?
Games not even functional, one step at a time

I feel the same way. The vision that the developers have for this game does not match what I wanted to see in a sequel to Warband. After watching them flail about for the last two months I have to wonder if they actually know what they want the finished product to be.

My plan is to wait for the game to be "finished" and then see if it's possible to mod it into something more playable.
Think your right, does not seem they have competent management or a clear direction for this game since release
 
For now I just vote "No". I think the best time to release modding tools is when the game is nearly release and the core files stop to change
 
I just wish people would stop believing modders will magically fix this steaming pile of a game. I mean they might, but it has clearly become a sleeping pill for the developers, thinking they don't have to make an actual game, just release something half-baked and cash in on the hard work of the modding community.
 
I just wish people would stop believing modders will magically fix this steaming pile of a game. I mean they might, but it has clearly become a sleeping pill for the developers, thinking they don't have to make an actual game, just release something half-baked and cash in on the hard work of the modding community.

Just so I don't get you wrong, do you think the developers are thinking they don't have to make an actual game, jsut to release something half-baked and cash in on the hard work of the modding community? Not sure what you mean with that sleeping pill.
 
Just so I don't get you wrong, do you think the developers are thinking they don't have to make an actual game, jsut to release something half-baked and cash in on the hard work of the modding community? Not sure what you mean with that sleeping pill.

I think that's exactly what they are doing, and it appears to be very intentional. It's a clever move though, not least because a significant part of the community seems to be okay with this.

M&B/Warband were ok games in their own right, but the only reason either of them ever made it beyond yet-another-half-failed-indie-game is the modding community.
 
I think that's exactly what they are doing, and it appears to be very intentional. It's a clever move though, not least because a significant part of the community seems to be okay with this.

M&B/Warband were ok games in their own right, but the only reason either of them ever made it beyond yet-another-half-failed-indie-game is the modding community.

That is not the case at all. They are working on this game for so many years, all just to let modders finish it? They don't even encourage modders to mod the game now. They are constantly hot fixing and patching, reworking things, this is the least possible suited environment for modding! I know TW since so many years and I am reading allmost every comment they make here. They really do care about the community and the game, I am very sure of that. If they would be after money, they wouldn't read all the feedback (which I know they do for a fact), they wouldn't try to work together with us, they wouldn't have made a discount on Bannerlord on release date and they wouldn't release new patches and hotfixes. This is just not how TW is.
 
That is not the case at all. They are working on this game for so many years, all just to let modders finish it? They don't even encourage modders to mod the game now. They are constantly hot fixing and patching, reworking things, this is the least possible suited environment for modding!

Oh I didn't mean they're making it easier for modders, more that they're capitalizing on the fact that WB had such an active modding community, to the point that many people are STILL responding to bug/missing feature posts with "don't worry, mods will fix it". TW's communication, such as it is, also suggests that they're not planning to add anything major except for releasing the modding tools (eventually).

I know TW since so many years

I have been around since before Warband, and I used to be behind TW 100%, too. Even through the train wreck of a development process, I supported them. Then they announced they were going to release in Early Access, and I knew there was a very high chance of this game being a failure. But I bought it anyway, out of residual loyalty and hope. Boy was that a mistake...

and I am reading allmost every comment they make here.
Which is a grand total of, what, five posts or something? (yeah exaggerating for effect... but my point stands).

They really do care about the community and the game, I am very sure of that.

They have a very odd way of showing it, then.

If they would be after money, they wouldn't read all the feedback (which I know they do for a fact), they wouldn't try to work together with us, they wouldn't have made a discount on Bannerlord on release date and they wouldn't release new patches and hotfixes. This is just not how TW is.

Well, that's one opinion. I'd say releasing the game in the state it is in, for full AAA price less a 10% discount, writing a patently false description on the Steam page ("essentially complete just obscure bugs") and then completely refusing to acknowledge any of this, or engaging with the community in any meaningful way is textbook cash-grab tactics.
 
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