I've been juked from my rightful tier 2 all-time spot, didn't realise playing in top teams since 2016 as a main infantry, having gold, silver and bronze medals and slaying men means being placed in tier 3, yeah Varadin could destroy anything I've ever done. It's very easy to say 'don't get offended', 'it's based on opinion' but when the list was made seriously, and posted by a respected member of the community then obviously people will feel their ratings are unjust, in that sense, the 'list artisans' you've mentioned, although didn't provide any names for completely no reason, haven't really justified the reasons for some of the ratings. You can quite easily be placed somewhere based solely on someone's personal quarrels. If you're saying these 'people' were hard at work, it's unfair to say that the list is accurate if the majority of that time was spent collecting players, figuring out teams from the past and where they stand and give solely an opinion based on something completely personal. Demeaning players by clearly giving no justification on some of the clear anomalies in the rankings is clearly unjust to players and unlawful with Taleworld's policy.
Being a 'powerful' and respected member of the community, by posting some of the most garbage ratings without your 'real' approval seems odd, you even stated yourself that you, don't agree with some of the ratings, but decided to let it go. A lot of people look at these sort of ratings from respected community members and take them as if that's their final skill, unjust or not, thus completely demeans some of the players who should rightfully be placed higher, based on anything from statistics to global community opinion. Of course, you don't see many 'complaints' on the thread for reasons which are clear, they don't want to flame someone with a lot of respect, they don't want list threads to go down the drain, but without any form of elucidation with the rankings, what's the point in even posting a list? Sure, the thread looks fantastic, but it's a complete waste of time without any form of justification, which is exactly what Taleworld's asked for, you decided to post a thread solely based on 'opinion' which most people take very seriously. There also seems to be no negotiation based on statistics because it's an 'opinion' list, which completely defeats the purpose of community opinion, it's basically a what you say goes dictatorship.
Demeaning players by completely pulling information and opinions out your arse, doesn't give enough justification on players. I think there's some very obvious player who shouldn't be where they are, people will clearly look at this list and assume that's their skill level and recruit them, I think the list is great when it comes to history and clan ratings, I'm not flaming the amount of work put into the thread, it's just there's a lot of grey areas in some of the list ratings. Trying to discuss this with OGL was like talking to a brick wall, completely providing no reasons as to why I'd be placed in tier 3, giving the reply of 'study more' and Mork clearly having no interest in discussion. Obviously I complain often, but rightfully so on a list solely based on opinion and from the people I've talked to they also see how there's some major anomalies and just general rubix-like scrambling. Even if I provided statistics and prove it, it doesn't matter because it's all based on opinion and all I'd have to do is be friends with you from the start, which is how the original lists came with major flame.
? M said:
I don't fully agree with the lists below.
Then don't post it then, considering it's your list, having help from your 'artisans' sounds like Calamity. You even gave an example how you'd change your 'own' list but then proceed to not give any input and change it, as if these people actually checked statistics at all, that's outrageous. I could provide you a 10000 word essay on how players like Varadin who's played in low tier teams is not in tier 3, could also provide statistics on players like CristoTheVicious not being tier 1 or myself to be placed in tier 2, but you wouldn't want that would you? It's a list based solely off opinion after all. It's a bit silly really. You've also got to think of the fact you're basing all the players on the same skill level, through the years when clearly a 'tier 1' player in 2012 will most certainly he tier 5 now, which is where the list doesnt really make any sense because theres no context behind the placements. A 2019 tier 3 player in that all time list could completely dominate a tier 1 2012 player, so why do they deserve to be the top? The meaning of 'All-Time' is who's the best and whose the worse, taking into account the skill level at that period of time, I.E Tier 1 players in 2012 shouldn't be placed as tier 1 all-time but would be lower than the average tier 3 player. 'All-Time' should take into account the peak skill level and base it off that, not some wumbo jumbo from different years, it makes the list completely inaccurate. It would be fair to make a list by era, but an All-Time list doesnt really make sense, or atleast the way you've done it.