Low FPS and estimated performance regardless of video settings.

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SuperSmith

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Patch # 2.032, game is through Steam.
My issue is having low FPS that dips below 30 as soon as more than ~80 men are on screen at one time. No matter what video settings or battle size I choose the estimated performance never goes above 37% and the FPS in any battle larger than 50 men starts to suffer.
It has occurred in every savegame and version since I first built my PC a year ago.
I have not tampered with any game files.
I have tried changing the config as per the other help posts, nothing helps. I'm almost 100% every fix on the forum has been tried, I have deleted the game, reinstalled it, verified game files, even wiped my hard drive and reinstalled windows. Nothing is improving the situation.

rgl_config.txt

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texture_detail = 100

render_buffer_size = 15

max_framerate = 120

start_windowed = 0

use_pixel_shaders = 0

use_vertex_shaders = 0

fake_reflections = 0

show_framerate = 1

use_ondemand_textures_ = 1

use_ondemand_textures_mt = 0

disable_music = 0

disable_sound = 0

disable_frequency_variation = 0

cheat_mode = 0

enable_blood = 1

enable_edit_mode = 0

force_single_threading = 1

debug_mode = 0

display_width = 1920

display_height = 1080

display_bits = 32

antialiasing = 0

sample_quality = 0

alpha2coverage = 0

force_vsync = 0

shadowmap_quality = 1

shader_quality = 1

postfx_dof = 0

postfx_hdr = 0

postfx_autoexp = 0

flora_degrade_distance = 150.0000

flora_lod_detail = 0

use_instancing = 0

use_secure_connection = 0

max_number_of_connections = 16

look_for_server_on_this_machine = 0

music_volume = 0.4000

sound_volume = 1.0000

mouse_sensitivity = 0.5000

invert_mouse = 0

enable_lighting = 1

enable_particles = 1

enable_blood = 1

enable_character_shadows = 1

enable_accurate_shadows = 1

number_of_corpses = 5

grass_density = 80

combat_speed = 2

friend_combat_difficulty = 0

adapter_format = 0

reduce_combat_ai = 1

reduce_campaign_ai = 1

combat_difficulty = 0

display_labels = 1

display_targeting_reticule = 1

display_attack_direction = 0

turn_camera_with_horse_in_first_person = 2

verbose_damage = 1

verbose_shot_difficulty = 1

battle_size = 0.0000

attack_direction_control = 2

defend_direction_control = 0

lance_control = 0

anisotropic_filtering = 1

enable_environment_shadows = 1

verbose_casualties = 1

verbose_experience = 1

realistic_shadows_on_plants = 0

number_of_ragdolls = 5

gamma = 2.2064

character_detail = 1.0000

character_shadow_detail = 1.0000

control_mouse_movement_y_scale = 1.5000

blood_stains = 2

use_winmm_audio = 0

enable_version_check = 1

enable_aspect_ratio_control = 1

realistic_headshots = 0

auto_gfx_quality = 0


enable_gamepad_vibration = 1

rgl_log.txt

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Received stats and achievements from Steam

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System specs:

Intel i5-6600k

Gigabyte GTX 970 4GB

16GB DDR4 RAM

MSI Z170A Mobo

750w PSU

In other games I get consistent and stable FPS with the proper video settings. But Mount and Blade, on any module (including vanilla) I get low FPS regardless of video settings.
On my brother's PC he can do a full sized 800 man battle with over 100 FPS, and he has a slightly worse PC with just 8GB of RAM. He also can change the video settings to get even more FPS if he so desires.
Even if I drop to the lowest resolution possible, lowest graphics settings, and the lowest battle size my performance never increases.
 

AfLIcTeD

Sergeant at Arms
I think it's an engine limitation, it is over 10 years old. I don't know why there is such high battle sizes when the game can't even handle it.
 

SuperSmith

Recruit
AfLIcTeD said:
I think it's an engine limitation, it is over 10 years old. I don't know why there is such high battle sizes when the game can't even handle it.
That's what I'm thinking, but it doesn't make sense how a PC that is basically the same (i5 and 970 as well) can run it very well, but mine can't run it well. Hopefully Bannerlord fixes this if it's the engine.
 

kraggrim

Marquis
WBM&BWF&SNWVC
That's weird. Although there are engine limitations they shouldn't kick in at 80 dudes, and it seems you rig should be fine. So is this with native Warband as well as VC?
 

kalarhan

Python Saint
Count
WBNWVCWF&S
SuperSmith said:
My issue is having low FPS that dips below 30 as soon as more than ~80 men are on screen at one time.

check sticky thread for some ideas on how to tweak your rgl_config.txt (some options don't work well together).

your computer should be able to handle full battle size while outside combat, and drop FPS when they engage in melee. Just walking around  / spawn agents / wait for enemy to get to you / etc is not that demanding on your CPU. What kills performance is when agents are swinging swords and the engine needs to keep track to detect each hit.

also visit the support thread (Warband) as your card (970) has a history of issues with Warband (drivers).
 

SuperSmith

Recruit
kalarhan said:
SuperSmith said:
My issue is having low FPS that dips below 30 as soon as more than ~80 men are on screen at one time.
your computer should be able to handle full battle size while outside combat, and drop FPS when they engage in melee. Just walking around  / spawn agents / wait for enemy to get to you / etc is not that demanding on your CPU.
At the beginning of battle the framerate immediately drops, no combat happening. It remains constant in active combat or while waiting. In small battles of 60 men the FPS stay above 120.
I have tried changing the config, just as the sticky says, nothing has improved.
I can't find the support thread you're talking about, all I see are various posts by people with bad performance.
 

SuperSmith

Recruit
kraggrim ?️ said:
That's weird. Although there are engine limitations they shouldn't kick in at 80 dudes, and it seems you rig should be fine. So is this with native Warband as well as VC?
Yes, also in Napoleonic Wars.
 

Rarilmar

Knight
WB
Try to set 'render_buffer_size = 512' in rgl_config.txt
Find a program called 'Large Address Aware.exe' on the internet and use it on the game executable will increase the amount of ram windows will allocate to it.
Also turn off all kill messages, xp gains and other **** that gets displayed during a battle.
However this extreme measures help in big battles over 300, having fps problems with 80.. dunno if it will help much :razz:
 
Try to set 'render_buffer_size = 512' in rgl_config.txt
Find a program called 'Large Address Aware.exe' on the internet and use it on the game executable will increase the amount of ram windows will allocate to it.
Also turn off all kill messages, xp gains and other **** that gets displayed during a battle.
However this extreme measures help in big battles over 300, having fps problems with 80.. dunno if it will help much :razz:
The render buffer size thingy worked for me! But I have a question, will turning it even higher make my framerate even better??
 
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