Love

Have you ever been in love?

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  • Yes, once.

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  • Maybe, I'm not sure

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  • No.

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  • No, and I probably never will

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  • I haven't even reached puberty you sick ****!

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Obsession--what the one-way love can turn into when the realization sets in that two-way isn't going to happen and one refuses to face the musak.  Utterly destructive.  But there's that insanity factor ....

On the flip side of my cynical post, I have a model to which to compare.  My grandparents were married for over 65 years.  They were the hub of our greater family, and I can't remember ever seeing them fight.  Even in disagreement they would smile with affection and just let it go.  Their lives were rich, and they made our lives richer in turn.  My cynicism arises from being unsuccessful despite much effort, and pain.  It's because I value this elusive thing called love so much that I rant in its absence. Who likes feeling inadequate about anything?  Who likes failure about something so important?  And yes, I believe that if anything could turn my life in a positive, sustained direction, it would be mutual love.  But enough prolonged pain and it becomes "healthier" to learn to live without it than pursue it.  Nowadays at least, such energy is scarce and required for more basic needs.

Incidentally, I do listen to silly love songs often, and seem to enjoy how they make me feel utterly miserable and hopeful at the same time.  Gah, such a freak--must be why I feel comfortable here  :razz:
 
I've felt deeply in love once. In retrospect, it's great and ****ing **** at the same time. Being without her could feel horribly painful, the lonely days meaningless, and when you're with her the feeling of being loved is intoxicating. I'd definitely say that the love songs can be true: how much of it your mind actually makes up and how much is true I don't know, but it's definitely there, whether you like it or not. But like Llandy said, it's made up of a lot more than just liking somebody you've just met, it requires a long time getting to know them, understand them and feel confident in them.

And of course when it breaks up it is pretty **** too. So I'll probably be avoiding falling in love for a while now.
 
''When you're in love do you really think the world will end if the person leaves you?''

-Yes.

I've been together with my woman for 5 years now.

The relationship in itself is blissful, the conditions upon it are (in my opinion) very harsh.

We've decided to get engaged at some point as to show to everyone we believe ourselfs beyond the boyfriend/girlfriend area and again Believed we share a very deep bond on more then a few levels.

Sounds vague and yes it is. I'd like to believe I am a realist, sober and frank about the world.
I also believe that love happens, you cant look for it in a sense. You can quest after it but it will happen when it happens.

Im just an average guy with average looks and somewhat different interests then most perhaps. This all in effect doesnt matter one bit in my experience. Love is just around the corner, but which corner we dont know.

The saying that opposites attract I find.. rather wrong. I mean Woman attract Men and vice versa but personality wise, it would be horrible to adhere to this mantra. If a person that loves solitude mixes with a person that loves to be in crowds and loudness that is going to clash not add to one another.

In my case, I know the woman for 6 months before i ever saw her. We talked gradually more and more untill we spoke for hours at an end. During this we became friends and learned that more and more we shared a multitude of interests, viewpoints and likes/dislikes. In all honesty I can say she is 90% of the same mind of things as I am or the other way around if you like.

In this I dont mean self esteem levels, one of the two can support the other in situations as should be, until Self esteem becomes a none issue between the two of you.

Love as a feeling/experience.

The first time I met her, this was on an airfield, the doors opened and.. Bam, there was something, that kindling. A spark and you had only eyes for one-another. Something, whatever it was or is, Vasopressin or otherwise, something was right. That is how I like to call it. Something felt right and it was mutual. You can just feel it, see, breath it.

Body language I suppose would be the scientific denomination.

She and I dont share our native tongue and both have to communicate in english.
Fortunately this isn't an issue for either of us but the thing is, as with many that spend alot of time together. Romantic or otherwise. You get a language of your own, that you and that/those person/people share. No words in our case, just looks and expressions.

The harsh conditions.

My own relationship I find a very hard one, I would not be in it I didnt believe it was right. If it didn't have a future, if it wasn't so compelling a need. I say that last thing because it becomes a need, you want to spend time with that person, you enjoy sharing experiences with that person etc. Even after being around one another 24/7 for over half a year or more.

A friend of mine couldnt share the same appartment with his girlfriend for more than a week before things start falling apart. He loved her madly, still does I think, she however moved on rather swiftly.

Just to illustrate and I may very well be a madman and otherwise. I can see my fianceé once a month and holidays. We were both students when we started our relationship and we didnt have the financial means to move to the same country. Also university enrollments etc were already a fixed item. Arguments can be made either way but this is what we chose.

We speak daily though Voip, several hours a day, being forced to speak in detail if need be about feelings, experiences and everyone and nothing. Sharing strengthens the bond. We can be direct participants of our daily lifes so we need to speak of them to each-other. A very tough thing to do at times. I can also honestly say that we have never lacked for topics to talk about. Even after doing this for several years.

Damn this is becoming a wall of text, hopefully a useful one.

If it ended.

If she was to leave me or I her I don't know what I would do.
Purpose would be lost to me. We all set goals in life and you change them over time. I know that I can set new goals but it will feel extremely unfulfilling without her being part of it.
I would not call it being addicted even if it resembles it. It brings out the best in you. I am half the man I am now with her then I am without her. I strive to make her proud of me, I endeavour to better myself for the future we want to share, I double my efforts at creating the life that we both wish to live.

Love blinds they say and I believe it part to be true, alot of things that seemed to matter, dont. Alot of things that seemed insane to do suddenly become plausible. Here also one must point out that infatuation, or the feeling of being Inlove, fades. It will and must be replaced with Love, something which I'd like to call a higher level of trust and Harmony. Friendship is one thing and having a buddy with which you share and laugh. Love is something beyond that. Imagine your best friend that never condemns or judges you, that sticks up for you and that knows your secrets. Take that and imagine a layer on top of it, where your emotions, dreams and future are things you share with a person, more than that even for some.  That is what I believe is love between two people that form a couple.
Reason is a very important part of this all ofcourse, not blind love.

So, from all this I'd like to deduce:

Inlove grows into love which leads to sharing of lives and building together on a future that you both aspire to.

I would say that the sense of Honour could be a face of Love, Honour is taught in right and wrongs but it has a feeling to it that is hard to explain. Joy is another I think, a kind gesture towards you makes you happy but why, is hard to explain. Love happens and we can ascribe chemical processes to it and they may very well be right as science is usually. However, emotion is still a mystery and so is love aswel for the moment.

Thanks for reading and I hope it adds to the conversation. Sorry for the wall of Text heh.


 
Sir Saladin 说:
Hahaha, but it was so crazy.

You so craaaazy, man!

MAG 说:
It has been statistically proven that criminals that fall in "love" are highly likely to become a better part of society again. Infact the number one reason criminals have become rehabilitaded is because of "love".

It's also been statistically proven that crimes of passion are committed by criminals who have been in love!

MAG 说:
Whenever I look at my parents I notice that they don't always love each other, but they most certainly don't hate each other. They have gone through plenty of hardships together, whether it be between them. Economical or political. But then again, the only reason they married each other was because of the "social laws" of chile. Leaving a pregnant dame to her own doing is one of the worst taboo in Chilean society. So ofc my father married my mother after getting her pregnant.

They have both told me, that they hated each other at first. Couldn't stand the fact of being with each other for the rest of their lives. They had so many different opinions and different livestyles.
But, I don't know when, how or even why. But somewhere along the road they actually fell in love with each other, mot chilean who moved to sweden broke up with their partner as soon as they had enough money to pay for the divorce lawyers and papers. It really warms my insides to see my parents taking walks together, and as I look at them walking away from the balcony. Holding hands and merrily kiss each other while talking to the neighbours.

My mother has told me over and over again, she'd die if she lost any of us.

I believe her.

See, now that is real love. Love that has lasted and been proven. I'm sure your parents' love is worth far more than some silly song sung by Celine Dion or whatever.

Sir Saladin 说:
Songwriters aren't lying criminals like political candidates are they are only expressing how they feel at the time.

Some songwriters are expressing how they feel at the time, I'm sure. But others are entirely in it for the money. They know that if you can pen a good song, that pulls on the heartstrings or is catchy or sung well, they can make a killing, and love songs are great for that sort of thing as there are many people who will buy into them emotionally.

If songwriters were expressing how they really felt at the time, we'd be hearing more lyrics like "Sometimes you're a ****ing pain in the ass but I still love you anyway," or "I swear, if you ask me if your ass looks big in that just one more time I'm going to hit you over the head with the toaster and bury you in a shallow grave in the back garden." Because love is not all happy sparkly funshine and magic and bunnies with glittery hearts.

Don't even get me started on kids singing love songs. Justin Bieber??? Anybody remember Aaron Carter? Donny Osmond? Adults have been fobbing their love-songs off onto "cute" kids for decades, to appeal to the younger market. As for singer-songwriters, half of them these get through eight or nine marriages in a life time, and each one is THE ONE, until it turns out that they weren't as in love as they had originally thought.

There are, of course, love songs that I don't mind listening to. I can listen to Bryan Adams, there's something sincere in his voice, but I can't really stand the shrieking harpies like Mariah Carey or Beyonce. For a realistic take on love, I would recommend everybody listen to The Magnetic Fields' Album - 69 Love songs. There really are 69 love songs on the album, and these are the titles of them:

Absolutely Cuckoo
I don't believe in the sun
All my little words
A chicken with its head cut off
Reno Dakota
I don't want to get over you
Come back from San Francisco
The luckiest guy on the lower east side
Let's pretend we're bunny rabbits
The cactus where your heart should be
I think I need a new heart
The book of love
Fido, your leash is too long
How ****ing romantic
The one you really love
Punk love
Parades go by
Boa constrictor
A pretty girl is like...
My sentimental melody
Nothing matters when we're dancing
Sweet-lovin' man
The things we did and didn't do
Roses
Love is like Jazz
When my boy walks down the street
Time enough for rocking when we're old
Very funny
Grand canyon
No one will ever love you
If you don't cry
You're my only home
(Crazy for you) But not that crazy
My only friend
Promises of Eternity
World Love
Washington D.C.
Long-forgotten fairytale
Kiss me like you mean it
Papa was a rodeo
Epitaph for my heart
Asleeping and Dreaming
The sun goes down and the world goes dancing
The way you say goodnight
Abigail, Belle of Kilronan
I shatter
Underwear
It's a crime
Busby Berlely Dreams
I'm sorry I love you
Acoustic Guitar
The death of Ferdinand de Sassure
Love in the shadows
Bitter tears
Wi' Nae Wee Bairn Ye'll Me Beget
Yeah! Oh, yeah!
Experimental love music
Meaningless
Love is like a bottle of gin
Queen of the Savages
Blue you
I can't touch you anymore
Two kinds of people
How to say goodbye
The night you can't remember
For we are the king of the boudoir
Strange eyes
Xylophone track
Zebra

They tell it like it really is, man.
 
Adorno 说:
When you're in love do you really think the world will end if the person leaves you?
Yes. It was sort of ending before I met him, loosing him will put me back in the same situation and worse.
 
Bulle 说:
Adorno 说:
When you're in love do you really think the world will end if the person leaves you?
Yes. It was sort of ending before I met him, loosing him will put me back in the same situation and worse.
Same here.
 
Buffy came in and managed to save the world once again, but I mean, how many times can she save the world from ending? Besides always?
 
Pharaoh Llandy 说:
If songwriters were expressing how they really felt at the time, we'd be hearing more lyrics like "Sometimes you're a ****ing pain in the ass but I still love you anyway," or "I swear, if you ask me if your ass looks big in that just one more time I'm going to hit you over the head with the toaster and bury you in a shallow grave in the back garden."
The Misfits then .... :lol:

Bulle 说:
Yes. It was sort of ending before I met him, loosing him will put me back in the same situation and worse.
In which case the problem is your relationship with yourself ...
 
I don't know about anybody else, but I have a fantastic relationship with myself. I'm clever, funny, interesting, with lots of exciting hobbies, and I'm easy to get along with.

I'd hate dating somebody exactly like me.
 
Pharaoh Llandy 说:
I don't know about anybody else, but I have a fantastic relationship with myself. I'm clever, funny, interesting, with lots of exciting hobbies, and I'm easy to get along with.
Plus you never tell yourself you've got a headache when you're feeling horny.
I'd hate dating somebody exactly like me.
I'd be far too sensible to date someone like me :lol:
 
Shame on you Llandy! You almost made me burst out laughing in my very quiet office with that "criminals in love = crimes of passion" comment.

I have appearences to keep up you know. Kindly restrict any funny comments to within the hours of 2200-1300 GMT from now on.
 
Togakure 说:
I'm surprised that a youngun like TDM would like them or even know of them :razz:  Some bleedover from the folks? 'course they play that one in every elevator and doctor/dentist office in the country, bleh.  At least the musak versions are instrumental and aren't as whiny.

I don't hear anything that isn't contemporary in public, so I guess I'm just lucky. And I'm all about Classic Rock, always have been. It often plays into the hands of my stereotypical hopeless romantic that I otherwise repress.  :razz:
 
Adorno 说:
Archonsod 说:
In which case the problem is your relationship with yourself ...
Bam! Freudian knockout.

Freud is too old IMO, and the status of psychology as a science is still debated. Also, I think it may not be a question of relationship with oneself.
 
Mage246 说:
Shame on you Llandy! You almost made me burst out laughing in my very quiet office with that "criminals in love = crimes of passion" comment.

I have appearences to keep up you know. Kindly restrict any funny comments to within the hours of 2200-1300 GMT from now on.

[me=Pharaoh Llandy]makes a mental note to do the opposite of what Mage says[/me]

Yugrath 说:
Adorno 说:
Archonsod 说:
In which case the problem is your relationship with yourself ...
Bam! Freudian knockout.

Freud is too old IMO, and the status of psychology as a science is still debated. Also, I think it may not be a question of relationship with oneself.

Freud isn't too old. He's dead. He ceased aging yonks ago.
 
Pharaoh Llandy 说:
Freud isn't too old. He's dead. He ceased aging yonks ago.

He's ancient :razz:. I meant he lived long ago and I think at least some of his ideas are too old to be considered as applicable (not because they're old, but they're not accurate & can't be considered not so anymore), and some of them were not objective enough & partial IMO.

Edit: Edited profile personal text :neutral:
 
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