Lords switching factions?!?

[mrpain]

So I am swadia and sadly we are at war with everyone but the nords..anyways I go to ask about the status of the war with the rhodoks recently....we have 10 armies and they have like 20!?!?

I know lords are able to switch sides, but how exactly does it work? I know they have some of mine, and me at least 1 of theirs. How do i get some of theirs? Whenever I can I always capture lords and just hold them in my castles, and I always reject ransom..is that smart? Will they fight against me if I let them go or will they perhaps join Swadia?

 

[Shishou]

If a faction is completely eliminated (all castles and towns lost, all armies, caravans, farmers, etc. off the map,) then the lords of that faction will over time join other active factions piecemeal.  If any lords are imprisoned, they first have to be ransomed out or be otherwise freed before they will join someone else.  It often takes months in-game for all the lords of one faction to switch to another.

That circumstance aside, lords do not switch factions in Native.  The war status messages are (I believe) indicative only of the number of active armies (lords) a faction has at that point.

 

[mrpain]

If a faction is completely eliminated (all castles and towns lost, all armies, caravans, farmers, etc. off the map,) then the lords of that faction will over time join other active factions piecemeal.  If any lords are imprisoned, they first have to be ransomed out or be otherwise freed before they will join someone else.  It often takes months in-game for all the lords of one faction to switch to another.

That circumstance aside, lords do not switch factions in Native.  The war status messages are (I believe) indicative only of the number of active armies (lords) a faction has at that point.

none of the other factions in my game have been eliminated.  lords are getting imprisoned though, i think what could be happening is when they are released they are switching sides maybe? How else could there be a 10 lord difference between Swadia and the Rhodoks?

 

[Oskatat]

its how many of them are currently wandering about at fighting strength instead of being holed up in a castle

 

[HugoC]

By my count, every Faction has 20 NPC lords. Can't remember whether that included the King/Khan or not. If 10 of a Faction's Lords are captured, they can't have more than 10 armies. And then, from that reduced number, not every Lord is out and about, whether they're lazy or recovering from wounds.

 

[Big_H]

The 20 does not include the King.

http://mountandblade.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Factions
Lists all the Lords and which Faction they belong to.

 

[Helix Falks]

none of the other factions in my game have been eliminated.  lords are getting imprisoned though, i think what could be happening is when they are released they are switching sides maybe? How else could there be a 10 lord difference between Swadia and the Rhodoks?

Lords who are imprisoned do not look kindly upon their Jailers however by releasing a Lord after capturing one (At the Battles end) you gain honour and also respect with the Lord in question you also get respect from Lords who you free and lords who you aid in combat.

As someone pointed out in Native Lords do not switch sides unless their faction is eliminated unless you are fighting for a Claimant then you can attempt to convince them to turn rebel.

Oskatat hit the nail.

Say you ask how the war is going and you are told that you have 4 armies and they have 5 go out and intercept an enemy war-band fight and win then return and you will be told you have 4 and they have 4 at least until they have recovered from your Victory.

As for your question "Is it smart to capture Lords

If you are trying to control the way a war is going capturing Lords and holding them will reduce your enemies fighting strength capturing the King/Khan cripples them as the King is often the Marshal and as far as I know this means he can not organize a Large war-band or elect a new marshal. Confirmation on this would be appreciated

 

[Ramidel]

Lords do also sometimes switch factions as a result of a treachery mission.

 

[Helix Falks]

Lords do also sometimes switch factions as a result of a treachery mission.

Not had one of those who is the provider?

 

[GJScarritt]

If you are trying to control the way a war is going capturing Lords and holding them will reduce your enemies fighting strength capturing the King/Khan cripples them as the King is often the Marshal and as far as I know this means he can not organize a Large war-band or elect a new marshal. Confirmation on this would be appreciated

I agree with the first part, imprisoning the King removes a potential 300 man army from any future battles.

As for the last part, I can't swear to it, but I have noticed new enemy Marshalls attempting to gather fellow Lords, long after their King was languishing in my Prisons.  I'll notice enemy Lords moving around, with 'Follow' one of their Lords who was stationed in a Castle or moving about, in their descriptions.  I've even captured that 'supposed' Marshall in a later battle, and then seen the same behavior in regards to another of their Lords.  (I personally play with a 50% capture rate and the 'See All' cheat).

 

[GJScarritt]

Lords do also sometimes switch factions as a result of a treachery mission.

Not had one of those who is the provider?

Isn't that one of the King Quests?  But, it would be something the player would have control of and would know when it happened.

 

[Ramidel]

Also, in my game: Lord Stamar turned against Swadia for no apparent reason when I was with Swadia; he is currently a Rhodok lord.

So it's entirely possible this is a random event.

 

[HugoC]

Also, in my game: Lord Stamar turned against Swadia for no apparent reason when I was with Swadia; he is currently a Rhodok lord.

So it's entirely possible this is a random event.

I wonder if Lords go through the same decision tree as players when they capture a centre: claim what you just took => refused by king => random chance of getting outraged and wandering off with ball.

 

[FrisianDude]

Lords do also sometimes switch factions as a result of a treachery mission.

Not had one of those who is the provider?

Isn't that one of the King Quests?  But, it would be something the player would have control of and would know when it happened.

Yes; it's royal.

 

[Cristo99]

The lord who is swithcing faction, normally doesn`t have honor, so that he can be easily be persuaded to join a enemy kingdom.Just like when you are a rebel:You can capture castles and towns, or to persuade lords to switch to your side