Lords and management

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gypsydevil

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I guess I'm having trouble with the lords and management.  If I conquer areas and do not give castles/villages to my lords then they get pissed.  If I do give them a castle or a village then they don't upgrade it.  If i unassign them from a castle/village so that I can upgrade it, they get pissed.

If I build a knight chapter in a castle, then assign that castle to another lord, do I still get any of the benefits?

How do you balance how many castles/villages you keep and how many your lords keep, then upgrading said castles?

 
If you're playing the latest playable version, you can still upgrade Castles and Villages even if you've given it away to another Lord. You can set where Nobles from Knight Chapters gather, so you will still get those benefits. Things like Churches etc. always help no matter the owner and Barracks etc. allow the AI Lord to upgrade his troops.

That's all the latest version though. Download it here: http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,59146.0.html
 
I went with assigning one castle and one village to each fief immediately after providing a skeleton garrison, and upgraded each with every upgrade except Stables (because the renown bonus doesn't carry to the king) and our cavalry was pants.

You have to upgrade the fiefs, but your lord will garrison troops.  The more money they have, the better they garrison, so the upgrades are well spent.  I kept two castles for myself, and assigned nobles to garrison at one until there was many, then had them sent to another to not have all my nobles in one basket.  I ended up with like 900 total nobles though, so it was a bit ridiculous in the end.

Later, after the invasion was put down and I decided to take over all of Caladria, I gave additional fiefs to my lords, rather than recruiting new ones.
 
gypsydevil said:
How do you balance how many castles/villages you keep and how many your lords keep, then upgrading said castles?
Depends on how you use your lords.

The good thing about having them is that they stock and upgrade the garrison on their own. In your castles, garrisoned troops are low tier. Unless you train them or add other troops, you will have low level garrison in case of a siege.

In addition, they raise and upgrade their own army that follows them. They are not as disciplined as regiments and may run off to chase caravans etc. but it is still another available force that you do not have to raise and manage yourself. With SoD strategic management, you can summon them to your location to set up ambush to superior attacking parties, or call them to assist you in a siege. Another use is to send them to poorly defended / newly accuired / often attacked fiefs as defenders. Again this is easily done from the strategic map.

If you like to use them this way, I suggest giving most of your castles and their villages to lords. This way, you always have a few of them nearby and ready for action. If not, forget about them, you don't really need them. 
 
I don't really get the issue with the lords. They work perfectly for me. I assign at least one fief to each of them. Most preferably village and a castle. I use strategic map to issue orders. Mostly I tell them to go somewhere or to patrol some areas. I use Follow Me order ONLY in dire need. Just before storming the walls etc. If I'm near the center I drag enemy there, and tell a Lord who is in castle/town to patrol around this center to have his help in battle.

Lords are just perfect. They are patroling on their own. Garrisoning castles. Defending fiefs. The only thing they are not doing right is following player but it's not their task, they are not just another free regiments.

V4.1 has very good Lord Mangment.
V4.5 additionaly has Administration skill that just FORCES you to give away fiefs (unless you are maxing intelligence).
 
vonmistont said:
The only thing they are not doing right is following player but it's not their task, they are not just another free regiments.

Seriously? Just watch the AI lords and see how they act while they are called for a campain. The player's lord are frustrating, they will never follow you properly, so campaining is impossible unless you take the castle immediately. Besieging a few days to recover or something will results in all your lords running away...

I see your point, but as a player i must tell you that this is boring :smile:.
 
You just need to take more Lords with you then you need. A lot will run off, most will return after a failed chase / a battle and a few will not return. After the battle, you can recover a few days, but you shouldn't have lots of enemies surrounding you. I've done it plenty of times.
 
It's kind of russian style to stack millions of troops hoping some will not flee :p
I'd prefere normal lords  :mrgreen:
 
Lords usually don't like following you cause of too small parties. If you give'em some troops (up to 250-300) their usually always follow you until you decide to stop. Meanwhile, you can easily solo most sieges without any allies support - all you need is high surgery skill, and some good top tier troops. But there're several thing where at least one lord's help can be invaluable. First of all - you have no limits in giving troops to your lords - for example you can give 500-600 soldiers to one lord, and all of them gonna count if lord gonna help you with assault - so why do you need all these problems with gathering many lords when you can invite just one, but he'll be as strong as many?
Second thing - while besieging a fortress, enemy lords can easily leave it and escape, so you'll have to waste time to hunt down them later (especially if it's last enemy fortress). So when lord with huge army is with you, enemy lords likely stay where they are and gonna get wiped.
And most important thing - lords have no limits for prisoners. So when you're besieging town with 1500 soldiers (it usually happens with last town/castle of faction where all lords of this faction gather), and kill about 500 of them in battle, you'll get about 1000 prisoners in the end. And there's no way you can get all of them alone. Actually all prisoners and saved units you're not getting are going to your lord (or divided between them, if there's more then one lord). So since lords have no limits for prisoners - your lord get them all. All you have to do is to order him to go to your nearest castle (may be even those you just captured) - every time lord come to your castle of city it drops all his prisoners there. So if it's your own castle or town - you automatically getting all these prisoners which can be either sold right there or recruited by yourself.
So you can conquer the world with help of just one lord. Easy.
 
Nierra said:
Lords usually don't like following you cause of too small parties. If you give'em some troops (up to 250-300) their usually always follow you until you decide to stop. Meanwhile, you can easily solo most sieges without any allies support - all you need is high surgery skill, and some good top tier troops. But there're several thing where at least one lord's help can be invaluable. First of all - you have no limits in giving troops to your lords - for example you can give 500-600 soldiers to one lord, and all of them gonna count if lord gonna help you with assault - so why do you need all these problems with gathering many lords when you can invite just one, but he'll be as strong as many?
Second thing - while besieging a fortress, enemy lords can easily leave it and escape, so you'll have to waste time to hunt down them later (especially if it's last enemy fortress). So when lord with huge army is with you, enemy lords likely stay where they are and gonna get wiped.
And most important thing - lords have no limits for prisoners. So when you're besieging town with 1500 soldiers (it usually happens with last town/castle of faction where all lords of this faction gather), and kill about 500 of them in battle, you'll get about 1000 prisoners in the end. And there's no way you can get all of them alone. Actually all prisoners and saved units you're not getting are going to your lord (or divided between them, if there's more then one lord). So since lords have no limits for prisoners - your lord get them all. All you have to do is to order him to go to your nearest castle (may be even those you just captured) - every time lord come to your castle of city it drops all his prisoners there. So if it's your own castle or town - you automatically getting all these prisoners which can be either sold right there or recruited by yourself.
So you can conquer the world with help of just one lord. Easy.

It's like you read my mind, that is exactly the tactic i am using. Hero lords are even better, since you can;t only give them troops but can retrieve them too when needed. I was recently battling the rhodoks but lost allot of troops, then i came by one of my hero lords. And saw he was carying 200 troops so i took 100 of of him and could continue my siege.  :mrgreen:
 
i always play 2 mods sword of domicles and native expansion. Hero lords are part native not sword of domicles that was my mistake.
 
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