Level scaling in Warband

[ripple]

Is there a way to remove or curb level scaling in Warband?

Leveling scaling is a really lazy method to maintain the 'challenge factor' in the late stages of any game. With a level 40 character, every time I go anywhere in a city at night I get assaulted by 5 or 6 bandits (whereas at lower levels you would get maybe 2 bandits). The 'train villagers' quests have become a chore when I have to habitually take on 3 villagers with nothing but a stick. Not to mention the bugged hired assassin waiting at every tavern who respawns every time I re-enter the tavern. Then there is the increased party size of bandits that has basically doubled from when you were level 10. Where are they coming from? Is there a bandit hive mother mass (re)producing them?

I am ok with -some- limited scaling (like Fallout 3), but this is ridiculous. What can I do to remove or limit level scaling?

 

[Kazzan]

Edit the bandit parites to have a set amount of troops, no idea about the other ones though.

 

[SPD_Phoenix]

There are at least a handful of things that are scaled with level. You have to find them and change the codes.

 

[Somebody]

For the first: Alter module_scripts.py, relevant portions are shown below

...
        (party_slot_eq, "$current_town", slot_party_type, spt_village),
        (assign, ":spawn_amount", 2),
        (store_div, ":level_fac",  ":level", 10),
        (val_add, ":spawn_amount", ":level_fac"),
        (try_for_range, ":unused", 0, 3),
          (gt, ":level", 10),
          (store_random_in_range, ":random_no", 0, 100),
          (lt, ":random_no", ":level"),
          (val_add, ":spawn_amount", 1),
        (try_end),
...
      (else_try),
        (assign, ":spawn_amount", 1),
        (assign, "$num_center_bandits", 0),
        (try_begin), #change/remove this
          (gt, ":level", 15),
          (store_random_in_range, ":random_no", 0, 100),
          (lt, ":random_no", ":level"),
          (assign, ":spawn_amount", 2),
        (try_end),
...
        (assign, ":spawn_amount", 1),
        (try_begin),
          (gt, ":level", 20),
          (store_random_in_range, ":random_no", 0, 100),
          (lt, ":random_no", ":level"),
          (assign, ":spawn_amount", 2),
        (try_end),
...
        (try_begin),
          (gt, ":level", 9),
          (assign, ":spawn_amount", 1),
          (try_begin),
            (gt, ":level", 25),
            (store_random_in_range, ":random_no", 0, 100),
            (lt, ":random_no", ":level"),
            (assign, ":spawn_amount", 2),
          (try_end),
...

For the second: Go to module_game_menus.py, and again, change the following

      (store_character_level, ":level", "trp_player"),
      (val_div, ":level", 10),
      (val_add, ":level", 1),
...
      (assign, ":max_random", ":level"),
...
      (val_add, ":max_random", 1),
      (store_random_in_range, ":random_number", 1, ":max_random"),
      (assign, "$g_train_peasants_against_bandits_num_peasants", ":random_number"),

For the third: The assassin only reappears if you've loaded a savegame from 1.126 or something. Has nothing to do with level.
For the last: Disable (or tweak) script_update_party_creation_random_limits. Or just remove the following trigger so it never updates.

  # Make parties larger as game progresses.
  (24,
   [
       (call_script, "script_update_party_creation_random_limits"),
    ]),

 

[ripple]

Brilliant! Thank you Somebody. Question: If I remove the trigger for "# Make parties larger as game progresses", that will affect party sizes for nobles as well as bandits, not just bandits, right?

 

[Somebody]

To be honest, I'm not sure how. The script involved is here:

    ("update_party_creation_random_limits",
      [
        (store_character_level, ":player_level", "trp_player"),
        (store_mul, ":upper_limit", ":player_level", 3),
        (val_add, ":upper_limit", 25),
        (val_min, ":upper_limit", 100),
        (set_party_creation_random_limits, 0, ":upper_limit"),
        (assign, reg0, ":upper_limit"),
    ]),

And according to header_operations, set_party_creation_random_limits should have values should be between {0, 100}. The script makes the upper limit between {25,100}, and leaves the lower bound as 0.
Now, since most parties are created from various party_templates, I'm assuming that those value are involved in the calculation of the actual output when party_add_template is used.

Btw, lord party (max/ideal) size is determined from various factors in script_party_get_ideal_size, which also scales with the player's level/80. So your level 40 character experiences 1.5 times greater theoretical party sizes.

      (store_character_level, ":level", "trp_player"), #increase limits a little bit as the game progresses.
      (store_add, ":level_factor", 80, ":level"),
      (val_mul, ":limit", ":level_factor"),
      (val_div, ":limit", 80),

 

[lampuiho]

Does any of you know how to stop this by modifying the txt file?

 

[Lumos]

Nice thread necro.
Stop what?

Reading some replies back, I guess you mean stopping the "Make parties larger" thing.
Open your simple_triggers.txt, search for "

24.000000  1

", cause the trigger, as said by Somebody, refreshes every 24 hours and only calls a script.
One of the resulting lines will have to be it. Replace all the stuff after 24.0000 with 0, delete the line and remove 1 from the number on the second line of the file.