Let's talk about the Paradox model

[imgran]

One of the things that having all this modding potential generates is a friendliness to the idea of large scale DLCs. It looks to me like once they get the basics of singleplayer hacked together into something usable, Bannerlord would actually be a pretty good venue for a run of flavor DLCs, exploring more of the world around Calradia, other maps, new character types, new skillls, that kind of thing.

That's why I'm thinking about the Paradox model. Most of us should be familiar with Paradox, heck they got opening credit in Warband IIRC. Their model has been to create a solid base game and then add basic features to the base game while saving special features for DLC. They do this for their classic line of strategy games but also for games like Cities: Skylines

So for example, the base game might get new and expanded arsenal of options for dealing with Hideouts on a more permanent basis (longer time before respawning) while the DLC would have The Thief King, a faction you could either join or eliminate that tried to unite the bandits into a credible threat to overthrow the social order in Calradia, and a questline based along a three way choice tree to serve the Thief King, contain him, or destroy him. Just as one possibility.

Thoughts? Would that be an acceptable model for the new game once the basics are sorted?

 

[Shrugging Khan]

Please, no. I'd rather pay double up front.

The Paradox model ensures that all DLC is mutually independent, so it's all just a bunch of disconnected modules dangling off the base game. They have little to nothing to do with each other, and yet the base game seems naked without them. It's the worst of all worlds.

Or handle it like M&B -> Warband, with a polished and souped-up post-release version; make M&B 2.5: Bannererlord.

 

[w84m3]

and thats why game companies are taking more and more advantage of gamers... because of people like you.
No lets not think about dlcs to a early access game... or you want to go the same road as Ark? selling 30€ dlcs to a game still in EA?
No let's not talk about dlcs they want to add more content to the game? what about free? we already paid 50€ for this game... they already did their millions, now lets think about the future of this EA

 

[imgran]

and thats why game companies are taking more and more advantage of gamers... because of people like you.
No lets not think about dlcs to a early access game... or you want to go the same road as Ark? selling 30€ dlcs to a game still in EA?
No let's not talk about dlcs they want to add more content to the game? what about free? we already paid 50€ for this game... they already did their millions, now lets think about the future of this EA

Dude all I'm doing is asking a question

 

[Dral_Soul]

I gave up on Paradox long ago, excactly due to their DLC model. A large DLC filled with content at a reasonable price yes but shallow DLC like Paradox with a cost that if you bought EU4 and all its DLC it would cost around 400 EU, no thank you. Prolly gonna gonna come some die hard Paradox fan and say the cost is fine but Im of a different opinion.

 

[Princeps Senatus]

I like the Paradox model of continuing to finance game development through optional DLCs, but it only really works for a specific kind of game and I don't know that I want to see all games adopting that model.

But more importantly, this game is still in development and I am still hoping to see the actual launch features that should be in the game when it's finished. It is really premature to talk about DLC.

 

[HunDeTroie]

Honestly, OP, I have absolutely no respect for people like you.

This is a beginning of an early access. We PAID FULL PRICE to provide support and beta testing. So do not even talk about it, this is nonsense.

Just to be clear about that kind of possibilities :
If Taleworlds decide to release the game while most features are not here or if it still full of bugs and then they decide to release some DLCs, I'll make sure my country will disallow Taleworlds from selling in our territory.

I'll report you, and if your message doesn't get deleted I'll strongly consider to wage a full war against that company.

All The Best

 

[border1488]

The game is already 50 euros i think its over the top if they do the same thing as paradox and release tons of dlcs, we already have modders to create new content just like warband the game continued and survived for so long because of the mods, but yeah having one or two dlcs won't hurt just like viking conquest and napoleonic wars.

 

[LawLeewer]

I'm only up for DLC if they're Witcher 3-like. Expansions? I'm obviously willing to pay for them. Minor dumb **** like new armor or a small questline? Free or btfo

 

[dyre00]

I think the devs have been in the business long enough to figure out their own business model (i.e. release a large expansion with new content/scenarios every few years), without people like you falling over themselves to volunteer to get nickel and dimed Paradox-style.

 

[imgran]

Honestly, OP, I have absolutely no respect for people like you.

This is a beginning of an early access. We PAID FULL PRICE to provide support and beta testing. So do not even talk about it, this is nonsense.

Just to be clear about that kind of possibilities :
If Taleworlds decide to release the game while most features are not here or if it still full of bugs and then they decide to release some DLCs, I'll make sure my country will disallow Taleworlds from selling in our territory.

I'll report you, and if your message doesn't get deleted I'll strongly consider to wage a full war against that company.

All The Best

All I'm doing. Is asking. A question.

heck I voted for option 2.

 

[Amorphous]

Paradox's DLC model is one of the worst things that has ever happened to the gaming industry, and I am so glad that no other companies of note follow their lead. If TW starts to copy them I'll never support them again.

 

[SoldierHair]

Oh my god, anything but the Paradox model. I honestly think Paradox is one of the WORST companies out there, making mediocre games at best that are only interesting because the community does more work modding than the devs do developing (MEIOU, HPM, NWO, TNO, etc.), all while asking for 250 euros a game. It's ridiculous and I hope they get blown off the planet along with their entire company.

 

[Kipsta]

Ahhh the good old make three ui buttons which manipulate some superficial number and charge $15 DLC model.
No thanks, pus let's focus on the current problems of Bannerlord for now.

 

[VanCrio]

Oh my god, anything but the Paradox model. I honestly think Paradox is one of the WORST companies out there, making mediocre games at best that are only interesting because the community does more work modding than the devs do developing (MEIOU, HPM, NWO, TNO, etc.), all while asking for 250 euros a game. It's ridiculous and I hope they get blown off the planet along with their entire company.

They won't, because people actually fall for their little trick and buy the games and DLCs. Otherwise the company would gone under long ago.

 

[stevehoos]

I'd much prefer a non paradox route.

 

[Adrivan]

If the choice is between paying for a game which never receives any content updates, or having the possibility to buy a DLC to extend the content, I choose DLC.

 

[imgran]

there seems to be a certain divergance between what people are posting and how people are voting.

Silent majority?

 

[Dral_Soul]

there seems to be a certain divergance between what people are posting and how people are voting.

Silent majority?

Well there is a slight disparency between your title and the title of the poll itself. Also might be many that do not know what the Paradox model is

 

[imgran]

The options themselves explain that very carefully