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[Yukimura_Sanada]

Hello,

As i played today on the 22nd musket server i saw cav spam,and people saying Cav spam -_-.
i was just irritated by the fact they just go whining instead of trying a different tactic,Some people agreed with me.
Therefor i suggest maybe a training once in the week/month so that every New player can learn how to block/fight mounted units and so that the admins dont have to see what the trouble is whole the time.

If you guys find this a good idea then please post in this thread if you find this a rubbish idea then  please post also and post why.

Greetings,
Yukimura

 

[lord_olafson]

i could do a training map.

 

[Sardaukar]

If it's the rounds from yesterday I'm thinking of, the problem was not cavalry spam- or should not be, accurately- but the spam of the elite units. Repeatedly, both teams fielded obscene numbers of cuirassiers, culminating at one point in all but two members of one team using them. We started fielding more line infantry to lessen their effect, but cutting bayonets versus +40 metal (I assume) armor, with those blasted heavy cavalry sword lengths, made even that difficult.

It's less a complaint of whining about them for their potential to ruin some infantryman's day, and more about the problem that most players, facing numerous cuirassiers, choose the class themselves, and then those enemies who were not cuirassiers will in turn switch to counter these, and so on, and it just ruins the whole experience.

 

[SgtTeeh]

You say today? How come I don't see those servers? I never see any MM servers and I check regularly.

 

[Yukimura_Sanada]

If it's the rounds from yesterday I'm thinking of, the problem was not cavalry spam- or should not be, accurately- but the spam of the elite units. Repeatedly, both teams fielded obscene numbers of cuirassiers, culminating at one point in all but two members of one team using them. We started fielding more line infantry to lessen their effect, but cutting bayonets versus metal +40 metal (I assume) armor, with those blasted heavy cavalry sword lengths, made even that difficult.

Shoot at the horses then kill em with the bayonets,stand behind a tree shoot horse of the cuirrariere.

 

[Leberecht Reinhold]

If it's the rounds from yesterday I'm thinking of, the problem was not cavalry spam- or should not be, accurately- but the spam of the elite units. Repeatedly, both teams fielded obscene numbers of cuirassiers, culminating at one point in all but two members of one team using them. We started fielding more line infantry to lessen their effect, but cutting bayonets versus metal +40 metal (I assume) armor, with those blasted heavy cavalry sword lengths, made even that difficult.

Shoot at the horses then kill em with the bayonets,stand behind a tree shoot horse of the cuirrariere.

And then, the cuirasser simply kills you with a pistol. If they dont have the pistol it would be ok with them, but the pistol.... It has awesome recharge time too.

The best way to deal with cav is with cover, but not always is there some cover to help you...  Cuirassser need some change.

 

[Yukimura_Sanada]

If it's the rounds from yesterday I'm thinking of, the problem was not cavalry spam- or should not be, accurately- but the spam of the elite units. Repeatedly, both teams fielded obscene numbers of cuirassiers, culminating at one point in all but two members of one team using them. We started fielding more line infantry to lessen their effect, but cutting bayonets versus metal +40 metal (I assume) armor, with those blasted heavy cavalry sword lengths, made even that difficult.

Shoot at the horses then kill em with the bayonets,stand behind a tree shoot horse of the cuirrariere.

And then, the cuirasser simply kills you with a pistol. If they dont have the pistol it would be ok with them, but the pistol.... It has awesome recharge time too.

The best way to deal with cav is with cover, but not always is there some cover to help you...  Cuirassser need some change.

you have to know when to shoot if a currasiere has a pistol it will certainly come close to you when he is close enough you can shoot at him instead he at you, or bunny hop to the right and bayonet kill his horse.

 

[Antifiriz_khergit]

Courassier Spams doesnt annoy me, (maybe it can, when im not Russian.)
But, Baker Spam is.... Really Annoying.

 

[Jansay]

People's kinda right about whining, there simply isn't much for infantry to do with these situations. Your idea is rubbish because there is almost nothing to learn.

A developer mentioned something about the square information in the next patch and how it'll be effective and people will feel obliged to do it (I think it was lord_olafson). These sort of things could work. Things which has rock paper scissors logic. Plus cavalry will be nerfed in the next patch, so revenge time is coming.

 

[Yukimura_Sanada]

People's kinda right about whining, there simply isn't much for infantry to do with these situations. Your idea is rubbish because there is almost nothing to learn.

A developer mentioned something about the square information in the next patch and how it'll be effective and people will feel obliged to do it (I think it was lord_olafson). These sort of things could work. Things which has rock paper scissors logic. Plus cavalry will be nerfed in the next patch, so revenge time is coming.

its not totally rubbish all the New players know then finally how to kill cav.

 

[Venitius]

Anyone in the right mind would kill the horse with the bayonet then bayonet the rider as he gets up.

 

[Sardaukar]

Those Hunters are tough rides, though. Seems like they can take up to three musket shots, nevermind bayonet stabs.

 

[Venitius]

Speed bonus is both their advantage and disadvantage.

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

Hello,

As i played today on the 22nd musket server i saw cav spam,and people saying Cav spam -_-.
i was just irritated by the fact they just go whining instead of trying a different tactic,Some people agreed with me.
Therefor i suggest maybe a training once in the week/month so that every New player can learn how to block/fight mounted units and so that the admins dont have to see what the trouble is whole the time.

If you guys find this a good idea then please post in this thread if you find this a rubbish idea then  please post also and post why.

Greetings,
Yukimura

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,132013.0.html

 

[Yukimura_Sanada]

Hello,

As i played today on the 22nd musket server i saw cav spam,and people saying Cav spam -_-.
i was just irritated by the fact they just go whining instead of trying a different tactic,Some people agreed with me.
Therefor i suggest maybe a training once in the week/month so that every New player can learn how to block/fight mounted units and so that the admins dont have to see what the trouble is whole the time.

If you guys find this a good idea then please post in this thread if you find this a rubbish idea then  please post also and post why.

Greetings,
Yukimura

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,132013.0.html

Royalewithcheese thats exactly the point why i suggest something like this.

 

[Shyoto]

Anyone in the right mind would kill the horse with the bayonet then bayonet the rider as he gets up.

Ever tried it against a fresh cuirassier?
It goes something like this:
Step one: *Full-charge Hunter incoming, prepare bayonet*
Choice one: *Cuirassier turns and pistol-shots your ass* / *Cuirassier turns away* / *Hunter takes a jab to the face and rears*
Step two: *Horse is not dead, another stab is needed*
Choice two: *stab the rider, he shakes it off and rides to the clear* / *Stab the horse, the horse is turned away, parting stab to the horse's arse* / *switch to firing mode, if you're lucky, you might pop a shot into the rider's face and kill him.* / *you hit his chest, he shakes it off* / *you shoot the horse in the face, it dies*
Step three: *Be dead* / *watch the Cuirassier leave* / *lunge at the fallen cuirassier, glance off his +40 armoured chest, get into a melee fight against an armoured foe with a heavy cav sword*...

See, now this is a fair thing to say that "Cav spam" is not an issue.  Indeed, I very disbelieve that "Cav spam" is an issue.  There are plenty of tactics to kill cavalry.
The issue is that Cuirassiers have the fastest gun in the game, the longest sword in the game, more armour than any other unit, and harder-to-kill horses than anyone else.

They are elites, the admins and modders admit they are elites, elite spam is NOT fun to play against, and when the best way to counter it is to join it, then what is the point of the other classes?

 

[gamerman345]

Thing is, everything is fine, its just annoying. 

7 in 10 times infantry with bayonets are helpless against cav, due to the fact that the timing has to be very precise and half the time it doesnt rear the horse, and they still get a slash in there, which instantly kills you. If anything needs to be nerfed, its the damage of the cav swords. As for making sqaure formation more important, without an admin theres no hope in hell of people forming one. Currently there is a surge in idiots on the server, who i care to name as,

Zaphax: Using grenades even when told not to a billion times, and then saying its not against the rules since "yesterday" even after being told to look at the rules.
Gas: Using grenades, and chosing the kill over the tk.
All of the wilheims: I reckon these guys are from MyGot, or something similar. They all violate the rules, hide in the corner of the map, troll, and generally piss people off.
All of the "civilians": Dont seem to understand this mod isnt a roleplay playground. They just pretend to collect crops, generally screwing their team. Half the time they camp at the back of the map, pretend to surrender and then take out a giant pike of some sort, or a musket.

 

[Venitius]

Worse than I thought. Right you bastards, Venitius is coming for you!

EDIT = Yep, Cav is a bit too powerful and might be nerfed.

I've seen Zaphax but he hasn't used 'nades.
Never seen a wilheim.
I've seen a civilian but he fought as a cuirassier all the time.

Also, when I put on Arabian Fort with Poles vs Russians (20 bots), this was the general reaction which surprised me:

OMG POLES!
YAY POLES!
Poles have pinpoint accuracy
MOAR BOTS
OVER 9000!!!! bots!
lols
Is there an admin here?
Venitius, more bots!
NOT ONE STEP BACK!
Hey Venitius, ban *this dude*
Hey can we have a line battle
BLARGH HEY I CAN RESPAWN
Hey, why do Russians have lives?
BOTS NOOO

 

[Krimdor]

lol pure win
it's funny 'cause it's true.

 

[Sardaukar]

I really don't feel like cavalry itself is that bad, though. The lancers are easy to counter if you just downblock- on horseback or on foot- and the Hussar, while I love the class for being the gameplay equivalent of this, is usually reduced to so much bloody Swiss cheese when faced with opponents who either know to hold fire until I'm right on top of them, or are competent with a bayonet, given the short reach of my sword. There are ways to fool that bayonet, but it requires significant maneuvering room and a dash of perfect timing. Dragoons I'm on the fence on; Most of them seem to have a heavy cavalry sword, and they have that carbine, but they also have a horrible horse. Slightly less HP than even mine, and it's got all the movement ability of a brick.