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Joker86
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I just noticed something:
Are the coats of plates correct, the way they are currently? Compared to all the other armours they look somewhat strange to me...
First of all there is the same problem like with those norman and kettle helmets was: the saturation of the colours is way too high, some modern housewifes would be glad if they could keep such a bright red in the sweaters of their children And don't forget the pure white of the Teutonic coat!
Then: I googled it a bit, and I saw the tabard could look this way, indeed, but I think it's only for infantry. Why do I think so? Because there is no vent (online translator) between the legs, to be able to ride a horse properly. All the other mails are cut in up to where the balls are, to make riding easier and more comfortable.
And the last point: I think it would look better, if there weren't only vertical "stripes" but also horizontal, to create a real chequer, so that you can actually see the plates. The last point is not that important, but I think as you are already changing the textures (if you accept my suggestion) it would make things look more pretty.
Edit: just look yourself:
In fact I think the coats are really ugly
Edit2: And you could rename the Teutonic and any HRE coat of plates to "Spangenharnisch", as this is the old German name of it.
Are the coats of plates correct, the way they are currently? Compared to all the other armours they look somewhat strange to me...
First of all there is the same problem like with those norman and kettle helmets was: the saturation of the colours is way too high, some modern housewifes would be glad if they could keep such a bright red in the sweaters of their children
And don't forget the pure white of the Teutonic coat!Then: I googled it a bit, and I saw the tabard could look this way, indeed, but I think it's only for infantry. Why do I think so? Because there is no vent (online translator) between the legs, to be able to ride a horse properly. All the other mails are cut in up to where the balls are, to make riding easier and more comfortable.
And the last point: I think it would look better, if there weren't only vertical "stripes" but also horizontal, to create a real chequer, so that you can actually see the plates. The last point is not that important, but I think as you are already changing the textures (if you accept my suggestion) it would make things look more pretty.
Edit: just look yourself:
In fact I think the coats are really ugly
Edit2: And you could rename the Teutonic and any HRE coat of plates to "Spangenharnisch", as this is the old German name of it.
Joker86
Sergeant Knight at Arms
Yeah, I recognized this later, as I messed up coat of plates with brigandine.
Anyway, I thought I saw the coats of plates in the last SVN version (yeah, I downloaded it finally ), at least the Teutonic one.
Edit: just remembered something, as we are already talking about plates:
What's with this?
I know Braveheart is horribly inaccurate about most historical facts, but the English armours looked somewhat accurate to me, e.g. those bascinets with aventail of the two English leaders at the battle of Stirling (without any bridge
). I know this was 50 years after the mod takes place, but on the other hand there could still be some overlapping concerning the armour anyway.
So: did this armour exist this way (what do you do if the enemy sword hits you between two plates?
)? Was it used during the time of the movie? And could it have been used in 1257? I don't know how it is called, so I can't google it myself
Anyway, I thought I saw the coats of plates in the last SVN version (yeah, I downloaded it finally
), at least the Teutonic one. Edit: just remembered something, as we are already talking about plates:
What's with this?
I know Braveheart is horribly inaccurate about most historical facts, but the English armours looked somewhat accurate to me, e.g. those bascinets with aventail of the two English leaders at the battle of Stirling (without any bridge
). I know this was 50 years after the mod takes place, but on the other hand there could still be some overlapping concerning the armour anyway. So: did this armour exist this way (what do you do if the enemy sword hits you between two plates?
)? Was it used during the time of the movie? And could it have been used in 1257? I don't know how it is called, so I can't google it myself 
yes,this is armour made by Hollywood,the English pesants used it when they fought GodzillaDrTomas said:"Iron armor +3" also known as "Chain mail by Mel Gibson".
You won't see them in the mod.
Joker86 said:what do you do if the enemy sword hits you between two plates?
Bleed...
Also don't forget the time when they were severely outnumbered in the Valley of Gang Bang by Ovah-Foh-dausand-menh!
Braveheart is notorious for not having enough budget for chainmail, so they made a bizarre mixture of scale, plates and bollocks to cover it up.
Look at the two generals from Stirling or Bannockburn. They are supposed to be members of the highest English nobility, and yet they don't even have a mail aventail. It's some sort of ****ty leader.
A pity, because if Braveheart had had more budget and, more important, better research, it would have been really beautiful.
Look at the two generals from Stirling or Bannockburn. They are supposed to be members of the highest English nobility, and yet they don't even have a mail aventail. It's some sort of ****ty leader.
A pity, because if Braveheart had had more budget and, more important, better research, it would have been really beautiful.
Joker86
Sergeant Knight at Arms
Cèsar de Quart said:
Yeah, those are the two helmets I was talking of. I knew that bascinets with aventail were used at that time (as alternative to the great helmet), but I thought those leather thing was more "It has to look like the helmets of men who actually fight, but as I am cool and noble I only have a fancy, trendy leather aventail, because I don't need something else.". Some kind of mixture between "I am a fight0r" and "I am a n0ble", you know what I mean?
Although I couldn find a picture of them, can't it be the leather only covers the mail?
Edit: found them on youtube:
Joker86 said:
I know what you mean, but it's still totally made up. Even the bascinet seems to be non-metallic.
Look, that's a good approximation of how would William Wallace and Robert Bruce look like:
alabataille
Veteran
here are some photos of islamic armours in great details ! check it out :
if the photos dont work, click here: http://www.sonicbbs.com.cn/displaytopic.asp?BoardClass=3&BoardChild=2&Page=1&RootID=396137&State=5&title=%BE%AB%C3%C0%B5%C4%D2%C1%CB%B9%C0%BC%CA%C0%BD%E7%EE%F8%BC%D7%A3%A8%C9%EA%BE%AB%A3%A9
sorry that the forum is in chinese, but we dont have to speak chinese to browse photos!
BTW, an awesome byzantine worrior painting for fun!
if the photos dont work, click here: http://www.sonicbbs.com.cn/displaytopic.asp?BoardClass=3&BoardChild=2&Page=1&RootID=396137&State=5&title=%BE%AB%C3%C0%B5%C4%D2%C1%CB%B9%C0%BC%CA%C0%BD%E7%EE%F8%BC%D7%A3%A8%C9%EA%BE%AB%A3%A9
sorry that the forum is in chinese, but we dont have to speak chinese to browse photos!
BTW, an awesome byzantine worrior painting for fun!
The effort is admirable, but 99% of these armours are way off the timeframe. XVth Century ownwards. And I'm not sure about the remaining 1% (which is the mask. It looks like a Cuman mask from the XIIIth, but I could be wrong).
Take care!
Take care!
alabataille
Veteran
u sure that they are outta the timeframe? seems pretty high middle age to me.Cèsar de Quart said:
anyway thanx for ur help.
It is. Some of that stuff is 15th and higher except for that Byzantine armor and a couple I didn't check out.alabataille said:u sure that they are outta the timeframe? seems pretty high middle age to me.Cèsar de Quart said:
anyway thanx for ur help.
I have a little request concerning 1257AD, before the team moves on to something else.. could it be possible to have a mail coif added without the ventail? With just the "V" shaped lower part, so to speak.. maybe for less wealthy troops or just for players
GodHandApostole said:I have a little request concerning 1257AD, before the team moves on to something else.. could it be possible to have a mail coif added without the ventail? With just the "V" shaped lower part, so to speak.. maybe for less wealthy troops or just for players
There is no real reason for which you would wear a coif with no ventail. And, as far as I know, no iconography shows poor troops wearing ventail-less coifs. If they are poor, they don't have mail, as simple as that.
In Kingdom of Heaven they knew this, so they decided to make the characters wear the ventail always untied, so that they show their face more often.
Now, a coif with an untied ventail would be a good idea. But it would be hard to make it "move" according to the chest. Impossible, I'd say, unless they make a chest armour with a head extension.
