Mr.X
Hey jon, I gotta say, when I first saw KOA thread a while back, I assumed it was one of those "Up today, gone tomorrow" clans. Gotta say I'm impressed with the dedication you got there.
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rgodfrey 说:
What he's saying is that education is going to suffer from healthcare. There is a point there that he's made that should really stand out--higher education availability to the middle class is decreasing. This leads to a not only a shrinking middle class, a growing lower class, and a stagnant upper class, but also creates this sort of loop:
Spend more money on healthcare->raise education costs->less doctors, researchers, etc to innovate, make things more efficient/cost-effective/cheaper, to create competition, to increase the supply of services->higher price of healthcare->spend more on healthcare->raise education cost...
But if you prefer a warmer argument (as I do):
And what of the people around Granny? Does she have no one around her to help her? Are her family, friends and fellow townspeople cold, greedy jerks? Why are they not jumping to help her themselves? I've seen extremely successful local volunteerism/donation efforts to help people out when they needed, is there nothing like that for her? What ever happened to supporting yourselves and the ones you loved? What happened to helping the community you lived in? Can the fed really do better? Hell no, she'd probably die before the the money got through the red-tape anyway!
I have my own problems, and my family have their own problems, and my town has it's own problems. I'm not going to pay for someone else's dying granny 100 miles away when my granny might not be doing so well either (which she isn't, however she's not dying). Perhaps we should focus on fixing the startling inflation of indifference to others in society before we throw in the "pay off our problems" solution.
And what of the teachers that got laid off? How will they pay their medical expenses without a job? What happens if them or one of their family members get sick? I doubt that any healthcare plan the government could provide would be quick enough handle the smaller problems. Maybe that teacher's child's strep throat that he/she didn't have the money to treat turns into rheumatic fever? That's really serious.
And let us not forget the reasons I mentioned earlier that has contributed to rising health costs. Maybe we can fix those first?
rgodfrey
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"And what of the people around Granny? Does she have no one around her to help her? Are her family, friends and fellow townspeople cold, greedy jerks?"
Normally.
What can be done for starters? Easy. Just cut spending where we are bleeding the most. And friend, that artery is American military spending. The subject of military expenditures has been barbarically absent from public debate. Looking at the Pentagons budget for 2010 it is almost $700 b-i-l-l-i-o-n dollars. You could subtract the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, if you like, but military spending still amounts to over 42% of total spending. It is irrefutably certain to me that Pentagon spending is doing real damage to our economy and tragically reducing our quality of life.
I'm not talking about cutting the money we need to allow troops in the field, when we send our men and women into combat, even in cases where we may have argued going to war, we have an obligation to make sure that our servicemen have everything they need. And I'm not talking about cutting essential funds for assaulting terrorism; we must do everything possible to prevent any rhythm of the mass murder of Americans on September 11, 2001. Including punishing those people who had a stake in it from the inside.
After World War II, with much of the world devastated and the Soviet Union becoming additionally aggressive, America took on the obligation of defending virtually every country that asked for it. Sixty-five years later, we go on to play that role long after there is any excuse for it, and currently American military spending makes up mathematically 44% of all such expenditures worldwide. The nations of Western Europe now collectively have greater assets at their command than we do, albeit they continue to depend overwhelmingly on American taxpayers to provide for their defense. According to New York Times, "Europeans have boasted about their social model, with its generous vacations and early retirements, its national health care systems and extensive welfare benefits, contrasting it with the comparative harshness of American capitalism. Europeans have benefited from low military spending, protected by NATO and the American nuclear umbrella."
Our democratic acquaintances are jeopardized by larger, hostile influences, there is a strong argument to be made for supporting them. But the notion that American taxpayers get some aid from extending our military might worldwide is profoundly flawed. And the idea that as a superpower it is our duty to declare stability by mediating in civil disorders virtually anywhere in the world often generates anger directed at us and may in the end do more hurt than good.
I believe that the time is long over due for a clever withdrawal from the middle east than the (where is the birth certificate) so called President has proposed. I'm against all those wars, but even for those who were for them, there can be no explanation for spending over $700 billion dollars of American taxpayers' cash, not including the massive, estimated long-term costs of the wars. We have essentially taken on a his lordship role in a civil war, even allowing electoral disputes.
Here is what we can do in the shorter, rebuild our economy and create jobs that should be our nation's top order. It is essential that we begin to address the aftereffect of excessive military spending in order to guarantee prosperity in the future. We may not agree on what to do with the estimated trillion saved, but we can agree that nothing either of us cares profoundly about( like granny) will be possible if we do not begin to face this issue today.
Normally.
What can be done for starters? Easy. Just cut spending where we are bleeding the most. And friend, that artery is American military spending. The subject of military expenditures has been barbarically absent from public debate. Looking at the Pentagons budget for 2010 it is almost $700 b-i-l-l-i-o-n dollars. You could subtract the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, if you like, but military spending still amounts to over 42% of total spending. It is irrefutably certain to me that Pentagon spending is doing real damage to our economy and tragically reducing our quality of life.
I'm not talking about cutting the money we need to allow troops in the field, when we send our men and women into combat, even in cases where we may have argued going to war, we have an obligation to make sure that our servicemen have everything they need. And I'm not talking about cutting essential funds for assaulting terrorism; we must do everything possible to prevent any rhythm of the mass murder of Americans on September 11, 2001. Including punishing those people who had a stake in it from the inside.
After World War II, with much of the world devastated and the Soviet Union becoming additionally aggressive, America took on the obligation of defending virtually every country that asked for it. Sixty-five years later, we go on to play that role long after there is any excuse for it, and currently American military spending makes up mathematically 44% of all such expenditures worldwide. The nations of Western Europe now collectively have greater assets at their command than we do, albeit they continue to depend overwhelmingly on American taxpayers to provide for their defense. According to New York Times, "Europeans have boasted about their social model, with its generous vacations and early retirements, its national health care systems and extensive welfare benefits, contrasting it with the comparative harshness of American capitalism. Europeans have benefited from low military spending, protected by NATO and the American nuclear umbrella."
Our democratic acquaintances are jeopardized by larger, hostile influences, there is a strong argument to be made for supporting them. But the notion that American taxpayers get some aid from extending our military might worldwide is profoundly flawed. And the idea that as a superpower it is our duty to declare stability by mediating in civil disorders virtually anywhere in the world often generates anger directed at us and may in the end do more hurt than good.
I believe that the time is long over due for a clever withdrawal from the middle east than the (where is the birth certificate) so called President has proposed. I'm against all those wars, but even for those who were for them, there can be no explanation for spending over $700 billion dollars of American taxpayers' cash, not including the massive, estimated long-term costs of the wars. We have essentially taken on a his lordship role in a civil war, even allowing electoral disputes.
Here is what we can do in the shorter, rebuild our economy and create jobs that should be our nation's top order. It is essential that we begin to address the aftereffect of excessive military spending in order to guarantee prosperity in the future. We may not agree on what to do with the estimated trillion saved, but we can agree that nothing either of us cares profoundly about( like granny) will be possible if we do not begin to face this issue today.
rgodfrey
Banned
Tirok 说:ALthough i didnt think you would be gone tomorrow, I agree you have done a very good job so far(I like the img's on the main post, you gotta talk to me about those
Yeah he has. I don't like the img's on the main post as much as the fire one him and I made together, but he is the king and can do as he pleases wether I like it or not, but I'm also smart enough to know that those images won't be forever and he will eventually come up with something I do like, but this ain't it.
Once again, this thread appears in my recent replies even though I've read the some post 3 times already
Number 2. I just like the transparency
