Kingdom Borders

[Pundragon]

Honestly, the only way I see any of these ideas getting implemented is with mods which would still be great. To start with I'd be happy enough if you could set up waypoints or flags and be able to send patrols there and not just restricted to town/village/castle radius. But patrols would have to be increased because they would still be ineffective against any but small bandit/etc parties.

 

[Winterwolf00]

Since we are talking about economy:
- Clear production of goods like in old M&B: City X provides A, needs B. City Y provides B, but needs A. Honestly, Now I don't really know where to buy/ sell goods.
- Send caravan with certain good to a certain place.
- Weapon and armour trading. Buy cheaper in peace, sell more expensive in war.
- Bigger impact of wealth on warfare. Wealthy nations/lords should be able to have more and better troops than poor ones.
- Outside Calradia trade - import/export of exclusive goods in certain towns(Sea ports, towns near Calradian passes)
- Bribing.

That's all I got right now. What do you think?


btw. I know it wont be implemented... (I'm sure that nothing will be implemented at all)

Good suggestions, but I think you'll need a new thread for all that.

A lot of ideas so far. Some relates to borders some doesn't really. But if you ask me if you script kingdom borders similar to how I suggested everything else could possibly fall into place by conception. Naturally if kingdoms have borders caravan trade would need to be different and the economy would need to change. Areas infested with bandits and raiders would need to be different.

Not sure how many of these suggestions actually get read by the devs but we've got some good ideas in this thread.

Does this mean I can have my civilized nation that I've always wanted in Calradia?
Public Education, Disciplined armies with proper uniforms, etc 

 

[wrc]

Actually yes,behind your borders you could develop your kingdom in many ways.

 

[Winterwolf00]

Actually yes,behind your borders you could develop your kingdom in many ways.

All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Rhodoks ever done for us?

 

[wrc]

Actually yes,behind your borders you could develop your kingdom in many ways.

All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Rhodoks ever done for us?

Don't mention Rhodoks,I join them once,been in war with Sarranids and they literally beat the **** out of me,so can't remeber ever joined them after!
Anyway,what would be with war itself after implementing all this stuff?

 

[Winterwolf00]

Actually yes,behind your borders you could develop your kingdom in many ways.

All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Rhodoks ever done for us?

Don't mention Rhodoks,I join them once,been in war with Sarranids and they literally beat the **** out of me,so can't remeber ever joined them after!
Anyway,what would be with war itself after implementing all this stuff?

Can you rephrase the question?

 

[wrc]

Actually yes,behind your borders you could develop your kingdom in many ways.

All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Rhodoks ever done for us?

Don't mention Rhodoks,I join them once,been in war with Sarranids and they literally beat the **** out of me,so can't remeber ever joined them after!
Anyway,what would be with war itself after implementing all this stuff?

Can you rephrase the question?

Of course sorry about that,well if you put all that staff in,you wouldn't have time for war with other factions,fighting would be like side issue!

 

[Winterwolf00]

Actually yes,behind your borders you could develop your kingdom in many ways.

All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Rhodoks ever done for us?

Don't mention Rhodoks,I join them once,been in war with Sarranids and they literally beat the **** out of me,so can't remeber ever joined them after!
Anyway,what would be with war itself after implementing all this stuff?

Can you rephrase the question?

Of course sorry about that,well if you put all that staff in,you wouldn't have time for war with other factions,fighting would be like side issue!

Not neccesarily. If anything, a stronger, more centralized nation would have a huge advantage in war.
Imagine the difference between a medieval feudal kingdom, and the Roman Empire.

 

[omzdog]

The Roman Empire was the way it was because of its disciplined army, not old flimsy scrolls, literature, or old scholars.

 

[Winterwolf00]

The Roman Empire was the way it was because of its disciplined army, not old flimsy scrolls, literature, or old scholars.

And how do they maintain that disciplined army? Pay it? Equip it?
A Strong Economy is needed.
The Pen is mightier then the sword.

 

[omzdog]

oops, misread your post. Nevermind

 

[wrc]

The Roman Empire was the way it was because of its disciplined army, not old flimsy scrolls, literature, or old scholars.

And how do they maintain that disciplined army? Pay it? Equip it?
A Strong Economy is needed.
The Pen is mightier then the sword.

True,in warband or whichever M&B,economy works the same for all factions and that should be changed.If you have money you'll have power and the army! Some other faction could maybe have resources like mines or other stuff,and you should try to take that from them,by force or on the other way!

 

[Grimmend]

Now that's not a bad idea, aside from towns and castle, vital points of trade could be captured for economic power over Calradia.

 

[Winterwolf00]

The Roman Empire was the way it was because of its disciplined army, not old flimsy scrolls, literature, or old scholars.

And how do they maintain that disciplined army? Pay it? Equip it?
A Strong Economy is needed.
The Pen is mightier then the sword.

True,in warband or whichever M&B,economy works the same for all factions and that should be changed.If you have money you'll have power and the army! Some other faction could maybe have resources like mines or other stuff,and you should try to take that from them,by force or on the other way!

Remember these 3 rules about ANY army. All armies require them, no matter how decentralized.

They need to be Bred.  --You need warm bodies to actually be soldiers or you don't have an army.
They need to be Fed. --They need to be kept well supplied, whether its weapons, or rations.
They need to be Led. -- No matter how decentralized a force, there needs to be someone with enough guts to stand up and yell *FOLLOW ME!*

A stronger economy can better meet these demands.

EDIT: Nice to see you Grimmend.

 

[wrc]

The Roman Empire was the way it was because of its disciplined army, not old flimsy scrolls, literature, or old scholars.

And how do they maintain that disciplined army? Pay it? Equip it?
A Strong Economy is needed.
The Pen is mightier then the sword.

True,in warband or whichever M&B,economy works the same for all factions and that should be changed.If you have money you'll have power and the army! Some other faction could maybe have resources like mines or other stuff,and you should try to take that from them,by force or on the other way!

Remember these 3 rules about ANY army. All armies require them, no matter how decentralized.

They need to be Bred.  --You need warm bodies to actually be soldiers or you don't have an army.
They need to be Fed. --They need to be kept well supplied, whether its weapons, or rations.
They need to be Led. -- No matter how decentralized a force, there needs to be someone with enough guts to stand up and yell *FOLLOW ME!*

A stronger economy can better meet these demands.

Agree with all,but,if you choose faction which doesn't have some resources,has undeveloped trading routes etc.,if you want your army to be bred and fed,someone's ass must be kicked,so only option that remains is plundering nearby villages across the border,maybe even plundering undefended towns with small group of bandits etc. 

 

[Winterwolf00]

The Roman Empire was the way it was because of its disciplined army, not old flimsy scrolls, literature, or old scholars.

And how do they maintain that disciplined army? Pay it? Equip it?
A Strong Economy is needed.
The Pen is mightier then the sword.

True,in warband or whichever M&B,economy works the same for all factions and that should be changed.If you have money you'll have power and the army! Some other faction could maybe have resources like mines or other stuff,and you should try to take that from them,by force or on the other way!

Remember these 3 rules about ANY army. All armies require them, no matter how decentralized.

They need to be Bred.  --You need warm bodies to actually be soldiers or you don't have an army.
They need to be Fed. --They need to be kept well supplied, whether its weapons, or rations.
They need to be Led. -- No matter how decentralized a force, there needs to be someone with enough guts to stand up and yell *FOLLOW ME!*

A stronger economy can better meet these demands.

Agree with all,but,if you choose faction which doesn't have some resources,has undeveloped trading routes etc.,if you want your army to be bred and fed,someone's ass must be kicked,so only option that remains is plundering nearby villages across the border,maybe even plundering undefended towns with small group of bandits etc.

True enough, sometimes if you can't prosper peacefully with what you have, then you may be forced to take what you need by force.
Unless some kind of compromise can be reached with the current holders of the resource.

 

[wrc]

Yeah,some kind of "improved" diplomacy,but there should be some kind of bandit faction,something like "less intelligence more strength",fighting them should be interesting too!

 

[Winterwolf00]

Yeah,some kind of "improved" diplomacy,but there should be some kind of bandit faction,something like "less intelligence more strength",fighting them should be interesting too!

The only language they understand is money. Therefore, bribery.
Turn bandits into mercenaries.

 

[wrc]

Yeah,some kind of "improved" diplomacy,but there should be some kind of bandit faction,something like "less intelligence more strength",fighting them should be interesting too!

The only language they understand is money. Therefore, bribery.
Turn bandits into mercenaries.

Exactly,bribe their warlord to start war with other faction and you take profit from that!

 

[Winterwolf00]

Yeah,some kind of "improved" diplomacy,but there should be some kind of bandit faction,something like "less intelligence more strength",fighting them should be interesting too!

The only language they understand is money. Therefore, bribery.
Turn bandits into mercenaries.

Exactly,bribe their warlord to start war with other faction and you take profit from that!

Would you be surprised if I told you I am an avid follower of the teachings of Sun Tzu and Niccolo Machiavelli?