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Mk3390 说:
^ I still hold the point on the vaiegirs. Their troop types( druzhnik and ivory gaurds are refrences to kingdom of norway.) Also the style of their armor is common norwegian especially the helms. Not to mention their axe types. Another thing is the name which i'm pretty sure comes from Norger(norway in Norse) and Norvegia(Norway in latin) Nords and the rest I agree with.
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It doesn't make sense that there would be a Norweigan-based faction when the Nords already represent their fighting style and mutual Scandanavian heritage. Also I dont recall Norweigans being famous for knights/horses like the Vaegirs have. It's not a surprise that the armor a Slavic-inspired faction would wear is similar to a Viking-inspired faction, since they Vikings were their overlords in many places and had a great influence on the development of the various slavic peoples. Also Russia's (Vaegir's) northern border was largely bordered by Scandanavian Vikings (Nords) and eventually their southern borders were inhabited by turkic-asiatic peoples (Khergits) and eventually invaded by Mongols (Khergits). The name Vaegir might sound familiar because it could be a reference to the medieval greek's Varangian guard. And since Russia and Byzantium had a similar (orthodox/eastern european) heritage maybe thats why a Slavic-based faction was named that way. Just a guess.
 
Thank you all :smile: I might actually be able to make some type of fictional stories with all of this information *shocked*
 
Here are the best two "histories" that I found.

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,86047.msg2217646.html#msg2217646

 
Yea but there is a diffrence between the kingdom of norway and the vikings. Look up pictures of  Norwgian warriors. The armor fits as well as the name. Besides Slavik east europe doesn't live in snow covered steppes.
 
Mk3390 说:
Yea but there is a diffrence between the kingdom of norway and the vikings. Look up pictures of  Norwgian warriors. The armor fits as well as the name. Besides Slavik east europe doesn't live in snow covered steppes.
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Slavic eastern europe doesnt live in snow covered steppes? And Norway does? I dont see why there would be an entire second faction for a small and insignificant Norweigen kingdom when there is already the collectively scandanavian Nords. Norway just isnt that important to have an entire faction dedicated solely to it while there is a faction representing the "others" (Swedes, Danes, Finns). And if there was why would it be as large as the collective western european faction (Swadia), the mongol faction (khergits), the italian faction (rhodoks), and scandanavian (nords) faction? Alot of the armor Vaegirs wear is similar to the Asiatic Khergits also, which is historically parallel to russian soldiers wearing Mongolian lamellar during the time of the Golden Horde.
 
Fine. But Considering the solid similarities, I think it represents the kingdom of norway which depending on a timeline would possibly have included some northeastern slavs as well as finland area. On the other hand, Nords which could apply to any number of the types of tribes and were they settled. From the francs to the saxons the iberians or the slavs etc., The fact that they in game are in grasslands area refers to them as i said as germanic tribes(collectivley) in which case it would leave the vaegirs to represent scandinavia.
 
I think you WANT it to represent Norway, because Im guessing you are Norwegian :razz: It seems pretty obvious it's Slavic to most posters on this forum.
 
Dude, you are so off. I'm lebanese( case you don't know I'm middle eastern) and I don't want it to be anything. I'm just telling you what it is based on the facts that i've presented. You're just being to stubborn and not looking at it from the other side.
 
Fine, Whatever. I think I proved my case and that my points merited that. I don't care though. You think they're slavs you go right ahead and suit yourself.
 
Mk3390 说:
^ I still hold the point on the vaiegirs. Their troop types( druzhnik and ivory gaurds are refrences to kingdom of norway.) Also the style of their armor is common norwegian especially the helms. Not to mention their axe types. Another thing is the name which i'm pretty sure comes from Norger(norway in Norse) and Norvegia(Norway in latin) Nords and the rest I agree with.
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Ivory Guards? You must be playing Native Expansion, a mod. Remember that that is not the original game, and has nothing to do with the origins of the factions. The creator of Native Expansion even intentionally renamed a faction to fit their own image of it. That's fine, since it is a mod, but it is no more related to the original native game than any other mod. 

I myself am not convinced of anything. They could be Norwegians, or Russians, or generically Slavic. I do not know. What I do know is that they use nomad bows, wear nomadic clothing, have Knights, use sabres as their primary 1H weapon, and make mention of fighting the Nords often. They also share a border with the Khergits, and are considered a "mountain" people. All of these factors are very different, and speak of many possible origins.
 
I did concede the unit types. But other than M&B lore. I showed the connections between the name of the faction, the equipment, the fact that they live on snow covered steppes. Besides Norsemen had horses and swords as well( Greatswords) Archers as well centralized system of government. Which would make more sense then various tribes of slavik origin.
 
The name I can not deny. The equipment, I believe, can indicate anything. The Vaegirs use sabres, after all, and I do not remember sabres being popular in 13th century Norway. On the other hand, I can not claim to know of any relation with the Slavic peoples either. That the Vaegirs and Norse both live in snowy terrain for the most part can not be denied, either. The use of the bow is something the Nords and Vaegirs have common, but what I found interesting when I compared their troop trees was that only the Nords use the Long Bow, while the Vaegirs prefer the Nomad Bow, and other smaller Bows. I'm not sure what origin that indicates, but it's a noteworthy difference between the two M&B factions.

To me, though, the most compelling point against the Vaegirs being Norse is simply the fact that the Nords ARE Norse, and their backstory indicates that the Nords were invited to the shores of Calradia from overseas. Calradia itself loosely correlates with central/eastern Europe, and Scandinavia isn't part of that. The Nords are migrants from overseas, and the Vaegirs are migrants from the mountains.
 
Swadians - Germans
Rhodoks - English
Nords - Vikings
Khergits - Mongols
Vaegirs - Russians (Green color, hmm, The Communist Party of Vaegirs) :lol:

I think this is the correct scheme.
 
Rhodoks as englishmen....I doubt it they'd have longbows and knights. I'm pretty sure everyone agreed on Rhodoks being the Papal states.
 
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