Khergit

[Mr patches]

Hey I'm a new member, just thought I would introduce my self first. So my problem is ever since I started playing mount and blade again (version 1.011) The khergit are the equivalent of a big can of ass whooping. The khergit just kill all my nords and the only chance of victory is to have them desperately out number I could really use some expert advice here. All suggestions are welcome Thanks in advance.   

 

[snacker]

well you just started so first of all. Did you know you can order your troops with keys  F1 through F11. If you have atleast trained footmen you should just be able to order your infantry to hold the positon your at F1. And then order them to bunch together F8. And you should be find. Sure khergits may for a while ride around you and shoot. But once they charge there horses ( Steppe Horses and Courses) Will hit your infantry and since they have low charge they will be stopped and then raped.

 

[snacker]

khergits should get butchered by nords

 

[Mr patches]

Oh sorry you must have misunderstood I meant I just started playing "again" I have been playing since 8.50 or something like that So it's not experience. I tested this by putting it on easiest for me (To make sure I lived the whole battle) and they still killed all my men. This is a problem because I can never win against them and there my only enemy it also stops me from advancing in level so I have to depend on campaigns and they don't happen to often.   

 

[Virmin]

Theres a couple things you might try. One thing is to try and separate there armies if they have a bunch of lords on a campaign you can usually lure a couple of them away so you can fight them in smaller amounts. Separating can be difficult though as you usually need to keep doubling back to regain their attention if they stop following you. Another thing you could try is when you enter battle you can immediately order your troops to the corner of the map and wait for the enemy to come to your party. This greatly limits their ability to circle around your party whittling them down to nothing as they like to do.

 

[Mr patches]

Thanks, that's a great idea, Because the problem I have with them is there mounted archers which are difficult to kill with there speed, range and accuracy.

 

[Orj]

Killing Khergits with Nords? My specialty!

You need to use your environment to your advantage. Stay on top of steep slopes. Stick to forests or rivers. Nestle your men between two close hills to shelter your flanks and channel the enemy toward you.

Have your Nordic infantry hold position in the best location you can find. Tell them to hold fire so they'll use their shields properly. Have them close ranks, otherwise the enemy cavalry will charge right through you. You'll lose more men to lancer charges than to archers if you don't have them stand close.

Don't try to chase them, you won't be able to. Let them come to you. If they get stuck on hills, in forests, or in rivers, you'll be waiting there to kill them. If they try to charge your densely packed mob of axes, they're dinner.

 

[nzitachi]

Get some khergits horsiemen? Not hard, UNLESS you have joined Nords and are at war with the khergits in which case

Killing Khergits with Nords? My specialty!

You need to use your environment to your advantage. Stay on top of steep slopes. Stick to forests or rivers. Nestle your men between two close hills to shelter your flanks and channel the enemy toward you.

Have your Nordic infantry hold position in the best location you can find. Tell them to hold fire so they'll use their shields properly. Have them close ranks, otherwise the enemy cavalry will charge right through you. You'll lose more men to lancer charges than to archers if you don't have them stand close.

Don't try to chase them, you won't be able to. Let them come to you. If they get stuck on hills, in forests, or in rivers, you'll be waiting there to kill them. If they try to charge your densely packed mob of axes, they're dinner.

 

[Munx]

when using Rhodok or Nords you have to use the landscape to ur advantage, fight in forests and mountain areas and the mount units wont be nearly as effective.

 

[Ludial]

Killing Khergits with Nords? My specialty!

You need to use your environment to your advantage. Stay on top of steep slopes. Stick to forests or rivers. Nestle your men between two close hills to shelter your flanks and channel the enemy toward you.

Have your Nordic infantry hold position in the best location you can find. Tell them to hold fire so they'll use their shields properly. Have them close ranks, otherwise the enemy cavalry will charge right through you. You'll lose more men to lancer charges than to archers if you don't have them stand close.

Don't try to chase them, you won't be able to. Let them come to you. If they get stuck on hills, in forests, or in rivers, you'll be waiting there to kill them. If they try to charge your densely packed mob of axes, they're dinner.

if you`re really that bent on playing nords vs. khergs, try this. There`s only one little problem, though. With nords(slow, only-infantry armies) vs. khergs(fast, only-cavalry armies) you cannot really pick your fights. Which means that you`re VERY likely to encounter(read: be chased down by) the entire host of the Khanate. Normally the entire host of a kingdom is something pretty slow, but in the case of nords vs. khergs, the nords are minced meat, simply because they`re composed of fail and little else. I always fight nords with either khergs or vaegs, and rape them every time(they usually outnumber me, too). If you want a dangerous only-infantry army, try the rhods with the tactic I quoted. This way at least you`ll have greater chances in a battle. But you`ll need brilliant strategy in order to be able to pick your fights.

 

[Swadius 2.0]

Killing Khergits with Nords? My specialty!

You need to use your environment to your advantage. Stay on top of steep slopes.

I'd like to point out that the only chance of this happening in Khergit territory is to hug the mountains when you're travelling the steppes. Also, staying on a slope and not at the flattening top is much more effective in my opinion doing it with Swadian foot troops. Sometimes, when the khergits get to the top, it's almost as if they're riding on flat ground again. Getting them while they slowly climb up the slope is a much better way to eviscerate the horse ****ing bastards.

 

[Orj]

In Khergit territory, though, mountains are never far, so if you have decent pathfinding, you should be able to make it to better terrain before the horde catches up to you.

Yes, if the hills are large enough to allow the Khergits to ride around on the tops, then you should be just below the crests of the hill, so your men are sheltered from archers on the top. If the crest of the hill is small enough that your men take up about half the space, then I'd stay at the top. There won't be room for the Khergits to maneuver.

Also, another tip, bring a good bow and two quivers of arrows. You'll be able to stand amongst your men and take advantage of their shields, so you shouldn't need one of your own unless you plan on being heroic. If you're a good shot, you can turn the tide of the battle with several well-placed arrows. Not to mention that hurling pointed sticks at high speed into charging Khergits is extremely satisfying.

The only time you'll be engaging in melee combat is when you're cutting down disabled horsemen, so I prefer a two-handed weapon. Preferably a Balanced Great Axe.


Also, if you're okay with it, take along a few Hired Blades for a bit of party speed. You'd tell them to dismount in battle, as you don't want them to try to chase the Khergits. They can hold their own on foot, and they usually have shields. Swadian Knights would probably work, too.

 

[Swadius 2.0]

No one has mentioned hiding in the corner of the map yet!

 

[Orj]

I do not consider the exploitation of a flaw in the game to be an honorable tactic, however effective it may be.

 

[Swadius 2.0]

Exploiting the AI is any better ?

 

[Orj]

Hey, if the opposing commander has the tactical genius of a small frog, that's not my fault.

Real battles involve exploiting flaws in your opponent's tactics, do they not?

 

[Swadius 2.0]

If there was a force field in a battle that I can take advantage of, I will. I didn't put it there! I'm just taking advantage of the environment; if there's a sarlacc pit in the middle of the field, I'd use it even if it isn't in any medieval European battlefield record. Course this seems to be a matter of whether or not to role play a medieval commander and what not.

 

[PDJ]

There's nothing wrong with using the battlefield limit against the AI.  They used it against me hundreds of times when I started playing before I learned my lesson to not ride into the edge of the map.

 

[Dark Joyce]

I just use the same tactics against everybody

Flank them

It may not be an accepted tactic but hell it always splits them into smaller groups, Some go for my mercenary Calvary and rest at my Nord and Rhodock Infantry. It kills the full strength of the group in seconds