Khergit Khanate too weak
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Khergit is not weak. Veagir archers just have Ivory arrow which does +40 damage each.
It is a white arrow. I am not sure if high-tier Khergit troops have one. (they should have... I am not sure)
By the way, those Ivory arrows are designed to kill dark knights who have +80 body armor so
the damage from Ivory arrow is somehow insane.
It is a white arrow. I am not sure if high-tier Khergit troops have one. (they should have... I am not sure)
By the way, those Ivory arrows are designed to kill dark knights who have +80 body armor so
the damage from Ivory arrow is somehow insane.
zeldata
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I am pretty sure Vergir archer from peasant line can be countered by spear-man and sniper from Rhodok's peasant line.
Each Veagir archer has 1 Ivory bow or yew strong bow, 1 pack of Ivory arrow(30-40 I am not sure), 1 one hand weapon, 1 shield.
In siege battle, not against Rhodok, 1 wave of Ivory archers can kill about 100 men on garrison before running out of ammo.
Normally, ordinary shield can take 1-3 shot from Vergir archer before it breaks, however, rhodok shield can take about 6 shots or more.
Rhodok sniper has a crossbow that now does 80 damage per shot (former 100), with shield and crossbow they should be able to win Veagir archer.
Choosing Khergit first seems to be a hard choice. Their best unit is lancer troop, they are not designed for charging but fighting against other cavalry units. If your Khergit units fight on rough hill terrain or siege against Veagir you will lost for sure until you can access noble troop. Veagir noble troops and Veagir archer from peasant line are not much different. Veagir archer has shield but low ammo to begin with and Vegir noble troops has more ammo but no shield, however, Veagir archer is easy to mass than the noble one.
The same difficult goes for Swadian and Nord. Nord has disadvantage as always because they rely on infantry which is just normal troop, no matter how they have more status points or not they can not use many tactics in battle due to their limits.
Swadian peasant line troops also has disadvantage. Generally, Swadian is good because of their heavy cavalry, while the highest peasant line of Swadian troops can have only medium armor hunter horse which still has bad charging power. No matter how powerful their armor is, if Swadian units are on ground they will likely be dead sooner than you always expect.
Back to Khergit, they are, well, directly, weak. They still move too slow and attack too slow to match the damage power and accuracy of Veagir archer. If you charge Veagir lord, you can expect your lost at least 10 or whole army.
In siege battle, of course, it is pretty much suicide. Khergir has no counter against accuarcy and damage power of Veagir archer at all.
I used Veagir archer before. They are easy to mass. to kill 100 enemies in each battle then retreat and charge again until win, it is so easy, until much later in game when you fight against charger knights. You can use hill to beat chargers however there is only 1 fight that you can not use hill that is when you do the quest, however, with enough battle advantage points, you still can use edge of the map to kill those elites.
Each Veagir archer has 1 Ivory bow or yew strong bow, 1 pack of Ivory arrow(30-40 I am not sure), 1 one hand weapon, 1 shield.
In siege battle, not against Rhodok, 1 wave of Ivory archers can kill about 100 men on garrison before running out of ammo.
Normally, ordinary shield can take 1-3 shot from Vergir archer before it breaks, however, rhodok shield can take about 6 shots or more.
Rhodok sniper has a crossbow that now does 80 damage per shot (former 100), with shield and crossbow they should be able to win Veagir archer.
Choosing Khergit first seems to be a hard choice. Their best unit is lancer troop, they are not designed for charging but fighting against other cavalry units. If your Khergit units fight on rough hill terrain or siege against Veagir you will lost for sure until you can access noble troop. Veagir noble troops and Veagir archer from peasant line are not much different. Veagir archer has shield but low ammo to begin with and Vegir noble troops has more ammo but no shield, however, Veagir archer is easy to mass than the noble one.
The same difficult goes for Swadian and Nord. Nord has disadvantage as always because they rely on infantry which is just normal troop, no matter how they have more status points or not they can not use many tactics in battle due to their limits.
Swadian peasant line troops also has disadvantage. Generally, Swadian is good because of their heavy cavalry, while the highest peasant line of Swadian troops can have only medium armor hunter horse which still has bad charging power. No matter how powerful their armor is, if Swadian units are on ground they will likely be dead sooner than you always expect.
Back to Khergit, they are, well, directly, weak. They still move too slow and attack too slow to match the damage power and accuracy of Veagir archer. If you charge Veagir lord, you can expect your lost at least 10 or whole army.
In siege battle, of course, it is pretty much suicide. Khergir has no counter against accuarcy and damage power of Veagir archer at all.
I used Veagir archer before. They are easy to mass. to kill 100 enemies in each battle then retreat and charge again until win, it is so easy, until much later in game when you fight against charger knights. You can use hill to beat chargers however there is only 1 fight that you can not use hill that is when you do the quest, however, with enough battle advantage points, you still can use edge of the map to kill those elites.
Hmm
I *thought* with the troop rebalance, I moved Vaegir arrows only into the lists for the Noble Vaegir archers. I could be mis-remembering.
That aside, they are, classically, supposed to be supreme at archery. If you look at Native, and then compare it to my redesign (where you had Specialist and Generalist factions), the idea was the same.
The Khanate does have a serious disadvantage against Vaegir, because they favor light armors and unarmored horses. This is countered by the fact Khanate have overwhelmingly more mounted soldiers, and thus their armies move much quicker, and their siege infantry units are good at picking people off the walls when they are marching up. To take on a Vaegir army, you had to use the Khanate speed advantage. To take on a Vaegir city, you will have to rethink your soldier layout, and stick to a lot more of their siege infantry rather than their mounted archers.
I *thought* with the troop rebalance, I moved Vaegir arrows only into the lists for the Noble Vaegir archers. I could be mis-remembering.
That aside, they are, classically, supposed to be supreme at archery. If you look at Native, and then compare it to my redesign (where you had Specialist and Generalist factions), the idea was the same.
The Khanate does have a serious disadvantage against Vaegir, because they favor light armors and unarmored horses. This is countered by the fact Khanate have overwhelmingly more mounted soldiers, and thus their armies move much quicker, and their siege infantry units are good at picking people off the walls when they are marching up. To take on a Vaegir army, you had to use the Khanate speed advantage. To take on a Vaegir city, you will have to rethink your soldier layout, and stick to a lot more of their siege infantry rather than their mounted archers.
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