Just your Daily CCP Thread

[eddiemccandless]

Many of those evidence are cropped and submitted by Chinese players. Ofc they cropped out the part of them using racist slur.

Swap to a winne the pooh +Xi avatar then pay asian server a visit, you will know what I mean.

Right, and curiously enough that is what you chose to submit as evidence that there was censorship going on. If that's the best you have I shiver thinking about what is the worst you could show us.

Also, I am pretty sure that the people who made the report did not add the writing in red labeling those people as "victims". That you would call someone openly insulting other people in chat a victim tells me all I need to know about this case.

 

[SandpitTurtle]

if someone is racist or even just make you unhappy
yes you can reported
but reported them as racist/trolling or just try to wage war whatever the **** you want
but somehow you reported them as "CHEATING" and TW issued them by "good faith"
that just not right

 

[johnNOVHn]

Right, and curiously enough that is what you chose to submit as evidence that there was censorship going on. If that's the best you have I shiver thinking about what is the worst you could show us.

Umm lets put it this way. Those evidence are reports filed by Chinese players to a Chinese fourm. Only admins from that fourm could read them. It is really hard to collect evidence about this issue as there are only so little public reports.

From what I know, some of those "evidence" provided in the open letter are actually provided by Chinese players when are trying to cover up their power abuses. And the writer decided to include them to his evidence file.

Lastly, Devs said Chinese filed fake reports and acuses players as cheaters. I would not be surprised if they make fake screenshots. I have no evidence on this tho.

 

[eddiemccandless]

Umm lets put it this way. Those evidence are reports filed by Chinese players to a Chinese fourm. Only admins from that fourm could read them. It is really hard to collect evidence about this issue as there are only so little public reports.

From what I know, some of those "evidence" provided in the open letter are actually provided by Chinese players when are trying to cover up their power abuses. And the writer decided to include them to his evidence file.

Lastly, Devs said Chinese filed fake reports and acuses players as cheaters. I would not be surprised if they make fake screenshots. I have no evidence on this tho.

Why on Earth would they include them in their evidence files unless they are actively trying to justify racism in main chat? You yourself have posts in that thread that say that people should be able to say anything they want in chat, including racism, insults and toxic behavior.

This is not about censorship, this is about people who are abrasive and unpleasant trying to push their alt right political beliefs in a game where they don't belong. And trying to get away with it on a technicality.

Edit: mellowed the tone a little.

 

[MArdA TaleWorlds]

this is the same ****ing **** that TW promised us that wont happen again
THEN?
same person falsely reported as cheating twice.

Please PM the user's name so that we can check this particular screenshot. However, we do not ban anyone for their speech. Additionally, no user is banned based only on a report. All reports are verified by us before an action is taken.

 

[YKH]

Really?


Can you show proof of him doing such behavior?

There are a lot of pictures about their racist speech on China's forum. I'm sorry that I don't know how to upload the pictures here, but I can post the links to China's forum. They have made a lot of insulting speech in Chinese. In this forum, they only send the part that is beneficial to them

I have met them many times in the game. They always like to make insults to the Chinese people and use political IDS at the same time
http://bbs.mountblade.com.cn/thread-2058054-1-1.html（This is the link for China Forum to report bad behavior）

 

[Gunslinger1127]

Why on Earth would they include them in their evidence files unless they are actively trying to justify racism in main chat? You yourself have posts in that thread that say that people should be able to say anything they want in chat, including racism, insults and toxic behavior.

This is not about censorship, this is about people who are borderline sociopaths trying to push their alt right political beliefs in a game where they don't belong. An trying to get away with it on a technicality.

Cause western people and Hong Kong and Taiwan ignore it, they don't expect anything to happen of it, at the most they will report but that is it. They don't SS I have NEVER SS someone insulting me in game before lmao That is just childish.

And let me rephrase your last paragraph
This is not about insulting players in game, You are trying to push your extreme left political beliefs that if you don't agree with someone they must be racist or bigotry, . And getting away with it. Okay we get it players were insulted just like in ANY game.

 

[eddiemccandless]

Cause western people and Hong Kong and Taiwan ignore it, they don't expect anything to happen of it, at the most they will report but that is it. They don't SS I have NEVER SS someone insulting me in game before lmao That is just childish.

And let me rephrase your last paragraph
This is not about insulting players in game, You are trying to push your extreme left political beliefs that if you don't agree with someone they must be racist or bigotry, . And getting away with it. Okay we get it players were insulted just like in ANY game.

Ah OK, so the problem now is that people should not have reported the racist insults. Thanks for clearing that up. Funny how those also go against the rules of this forum, but I guess those are laughable as well to you.

@YKH you can use this website to upload images here easily

https://tw.greywool.com/i/

it generates links that you can copy paste (I suggest those tagged with "spoiler").

 

[Gunslinger1127]

There are a lot of pictures about their racist speech on China's forum. I'm sorry that I don't know how to upload the pictures here, but I can post the links to China's forum. They have made a lot of insulting speech in Chinese. In this forum, they only send the part that is beneficial to them

I have met them many times in the game. They always like to make insults to the Chinese people and use political IDS at the same time
http://bbs.mountblade.com.cn/thread-2058054-1-1.html（This is the link for China Forum to report bad behavior）

Ah OK, so the problem now is that people should not have reported the racist insults. Thanks for clearing that up. Funny how those also go against the rules of this forum, but I guess those are laughable as well to you.

@YKH you can use this website to upload images here easily

https://tw.greywool.com/i/

it generates links that you can copy paste (I suggest those tagged with "spoiler").

Yeah, the racist insults shouldnt be banned for 10+ years, reason "Hacking" Also the staff just said " We don't ban anyone for speech" Also their goes your political side again putting words into my mouth, I have never said the fourm rules are laughable, but their are NO rules on the multiplayer server. I have not insulted ANYONE or I would have already been banned. You are borderline insulting people accusing of EVERYONE of being socialpaths to try to get to the bottom of this. Ironic.

 

[eddiemccandless]

Yeah, the racist insults shouldnt be banned for 10+ years, reason "Hacking" Also the staff just said " We don't ban anyone for speech" Also their goes your political side again putting words into my mouth, I have never said the fourm rules are laughable, but their are NO rules on the multiplayer server. I have not insulted ANYONE or I would have already been banned. You are borderline insulting people accusing of EVERYONE of being socialpaths to try to get to the bottom of this. Ironic.

Not really. I am just saying that the people who wrote those things in chat are behaving like borderline sociopaths. The screenshots speak for themselves.

By they way, I haven't once spoken about my personal political beliefs here so... You actually don't know anything about them unless you are saying that not wanting toxic behavior is politics, then by all means, guilty as charged.

 

[johnNOVHn]

You yourself have posts in that thread that say that people should be able to say anything they want in chat, including racism, insults and toxic behavior.

This is not about censorship, this is about people who are borderline sociopaths trying to push their alt right political beliefs in a game where they don't belong.

I said that for 2 reasons. Firstly, players in an online game should are not school kids. Players should be allowed to do or say things that isn't always right. Mild insults/ toxic behaviour should not encouraged, but players should not be banned because of this. Imagine your government starts putting impolite citizens to jail.

But more importantly, it is hard to define what kind of speech is "racism, insults, toxic" and what isn't. Who could define the definition of racism? Saying corona virus comes from China could trigger many Chinese as they see this as racism.

If we easily ban players under the name of racism, toxic, it will lead to endless conflicts among the community (admin abuse, players disagree with admin decision etc). Internet is not a utopian. People should stay from the internet if they cannot deal with hostility.

Those speech should not be encouraged, but we should not ban them.

 

[eddiemccandless]

I said that for 2 reasons. Firstly, players in an online game should are not school kids. Players should be allowed to do or say things that isn't always right. Mild insults/ toxic behaviour should not encouraged, but players should not be banned because of this. Imagine your government starts putting impolite citizens to jail.

But more importantly, it is hard to define what kind of speech is "racism, insults, toxic" and what isn't. Who could define the definition of racism? Saying corona virus comes from China could trigger many Chinese as they see this as racism.

If we easily ban players under the name of racism, toxic, it will lead to endless conflicts among the community. Internet is not a utopian. People should stay from the internet if they cannot deal with hostility.

Those speech should not be encouraged, but we should not ban them.

https://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?threads/code-of-conduct.391532/

1.6 Defamation, Racism & Discrimination
This is an international community with members from many different cultures and backgrounds. Defamation, racism, or discrimination of any kind will not be tolerated. Breaking this rule will result in your immediate removal from the community. Note that this includes, but is by no means limited to, sexism, homophobia, religious-based hatred and similar.

 

[johnNOVHn]

This is not about censorship, this is about people who are borderline sociopaths trying to push their alt right political beliefs in a game where they don't belong.

U just called people trying to sell their political beliefs as sociopaths. You are obviously insulting them and should be banned according to ur definition.

1.6 Defamation, Racism & Discrimination
This is an international community with members from many different cultures and backgrounds. Defamation, racism, or discrimination of any kind will not be tolerated. Breaking this rule will result in your immediate removal from the community. Note that this includes, but is by no means limited to, sexism, homophobia, religious-based hatred and similar.

Thank you for showing us how unreliable code of conduct is. I just wrote an easy to explain why this is bs.

 

[eddiemccandless]

You told me you hated trump in Pm's that is all I needed to know

Remember that Pm box we had discussing this once? :3

I think I remember you saying the OP was a trump supporter and bashing trump, that is all I need to know lmao Sorry, but I took out the personal stuff you sent me. but since you want proof how I have an idea of your views...

I never once mentioned Trump in my posts here, and in my pms the only time I mentioned Trump is when I said that when looking at the file it looked like if it was prepared by one of his supporters. By the way, you just violated a forum rule yourself by sharing the content of a private conversation on the public forum board, which is explicitly against the code of conduct.

@Orion, you might want to have a look at this thread (if nothing else because people keep reopening threads that were locked by a moderator for a reason).

U just called people trying to sell their political beliefs as sociopaths. You are obviously insulting them and should be banned according to ur definition.

I did not, but you are welcome to twist my words however you prefer if it makes you feel better. Also good to know that you think forum rules are unreliable.

 

[YKH]

Ah OK, so the problem now is that people should not have reported the racist insults. Thanks for clearing that up. Funny how those also go against the rules of this forum, but I guess those are laughable as well to you.

@YKH you can use this website to upload images here easily

https://tw.greywool.com/i/

it generates links that you can copy paste (I suggest those tagged with "spoiler").

Thank you very much, but I can't open the link you posted. I'm still trying

I said that for 2 reasons. Firstly, players in an online game should are not school kids. Players should be allowed to do or say things that isn't always right. Mild insults/ toxic behaviour should not encouraged, but players should not be banned because of this. Imagine your government starts putting impolite citizens to jail.

But more importantly, it is hard to define what kind of speech is "racism, insults, toxic" and what isn't. Who could define the definition of racism? Saying corona virus comes from China could trigger many Chinese as they see this as racism.

If we easily ban players under the name of racism, toxic, it will lead to endless conflicts among the community (admin abuse, players disagree with admin decision etc). Internet is not a utopian. People should stay from the internet if they cannot deal with hostility.

Those speech should not be encouraged, but we should not ban them.

So you think racism and insulting people will make the game better?
And that's why they claim to be victims here? Because they can't make racist statements or insult people in the game?

 

[Gunslinger1127]

I never once mentioned Trump in my posts here, and in my pms the only time I mentioned Trump is when I said that when looking at the file it looked like if it was prepared by one of his supporters. By the way, you just violated a forum rule yourself by sharing the content of a private conversation on the public forum board, which is explicitly against the code of conduct.

@Orion, you might want to have a look at this thread (if nothing else because people keep reopening threads that were locked by a moderator for a reason).



I did not, but you are welcome to twist my words however you prefer if it makes you feel better. Also good to know that you think forum rules are unreliable.

The rules just says should not, also I havnt leaked any personal information or put up a real picture of you.
You are lying and trying to make me look bad, and I just defended myself. You forced me cause you are attacking me and claiming I have no idea of your views, when clearly we have talked and I know your views.
And now you want this closed cause you can't handle the heat.

 

[沙普尔]

Thank you very much, but I can't open the link you posted. I'm still trying

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[johnNOVHn]

Thank you very much, but I can't open the link you posted. I'm still trying

Use a vpn, but isn't that illegal in China? Did u break CHinese law by visiting this fourm?

So you think racism and insulting people will make the game better?
And that's why they claim to be victims here? Because they can't make racist statements or insult people in the game?

Before we go into racism, please answer my question. Why your Chinese mod reported them as cheaters?

 

[eddiemccandless]

The rules just says should not, also I havnt leaked any personal information or put up a real picture of you.
You are lying and trying to make me look bad, and I just defended myself. You forced me cause you are attacking me and claiming I have no idea of your views, when clearly we have talked and I know your views.
And now you want this closed cause you can't handle the heat.

You know that I am against racism and discrimination based on where one is from, yes. I make no mystery of it. I don't see how this is a political position, I call that being a decent human being.

Also I am not attacking you at all, I just think that you are misguided and defending people who did bad things for no good reason.

 

[沙普尔]

Use a vpn, but isn't that illegal in China? Did u break CHinese law by visiting this fourm?

You can visit this forum directly in China.