Jumping/Glitching - Yes or No?

[Forgin]

You don't think it's bad behaviour if you repeatedly do something of which more than 50% of the players has indicated it upsets them?
This has nothing to do with whether or not it's an exploit, and whether or not everyone can do it. The point is, you are ruining the gaming experience for a large group, and I call that bad behaviour.

If that ruins someone's game.. Sorry to say but then they've got some serious anger management issues and/or short temper. Man up and kill the guy is what I say. Getting as high as possible is a valid tactic and a solid strategy for any ranged fighter. To say otherwise is just stupid.

The problem is that it is rather hard to make all these jumps while being shot at from all sides. That's why I think all roofs should have ladders or be impossible to get on to. With ladders the defending archer still has an advantage but the infantry has at least a decent chance to get onto the roof to fight the archer up close.

And I will no longer reply to this topic if you're gonna use more strawman arguments and other fallacies.

 

[Hethwill]

Only the devs can decide ultimately if it's to be fixed or not. We player testers have to report the odds and ends.

It has been stated by the development team that the Super-jump ( jumps about the height of a human model ) are side-effects of the physics system.

So, is it wrong to report them ?

I think not.

If you think it wrong to report these issues maybe you shouldn't be beta testing...

(( As i remember the issues during the game was that Mr. Corsair was totally against the reporting of them. ))

 

[Auscifer]

Where do people get the evidence to support the claim that such tricky spots are 'legit' or not? Has there been some dev input on the issue? Where is this rulebook that people are referring too.

 

[WhichDoctor]

I think this hole argument about "banning" jumps and the like is pointless, while these are available people will use them and your never going to get enough of a consensus ingame to reliably punish people for using them. After all eventually this game will get released and any quaint little rules hammered out on this bored will go out the window as we are flooded by new players. So anything we don't like people doing will have to be made impossible by design or we'll just have to live with it.

So really its up to the devs as to what kind of game they wont to make. but in order for them to know what kind of game they are making they need us to inform them of the way aspects of the game affect gameplay.

So rather than this being a discussion about weather or not these thing should be "band" or "allowed" ingame, if we have a problem with it we should be asking the devs to do something about it. I think the pole would be better off asking weather or not people would like these jumps to be made impossible.

 

[foxcola55]

well helps find all gtlichs / bugs so more fun exprince should be lucky you even doing it tho cuz when if officaly comes out more then likely ever would have missed the gtliching xD

 

[SCGavin]

So rather than this being a discussion about weather or not these thing should be "band" or "allowed" ingame, if we have a problem with it we should be asking the devs to do something about it. I think the pole would be better off asking weather or not people would like these jumps to be made impossible.

Poll altered. Old results in the first post.

 

[Forgin]

This gets a whole new dimension when 5 guys from one clan camp the middle roof in village. It's absolutely impossible to get onto that roof as an attacker because they can fire at you from 3 different sides. I really don't get how anyone can be okey with this?
This middle roof oversees a great part of the village, and in Fight and destroy it allows the archer to defend both objectives. There is only one way up the roof (not counting superjump glitch) which requires making 1 hard jump + 2 more jumps to make it up the roof, AND is surrounded on 3 sides by the same roof that has defending archers on it. Even with 2 shields you are still a sitting duck against at least 1 archer.

I love village, but these things ruin it for me especially in Battle and Fight and Destroy where one side has garuanteed first acces to the roof and then can camp there.
Please fix at least this roof so it either cant be acessed at all, or can be acessed normally with a ladder or something.

 

[HULKSMASH]

Hey, this only happens on village, correct?
If you have a problem with it, don't play village.

 

[Plazek]

Load of people on roofs shooting at you?

Shoot them, they are up on a roof how much cover is there exactly? Go archer take up positions in the towers.

If you can actually work together while doing this send infantry climbing while your archers are shooting them. The enemy will either have to shoot back at the archers enabling the infantry to climb up or shoot at the infantry allong the archers on your side an easy shot.

 

[Hethwill]

I think it's not the issue "people shooting at you from them". If my interpretation isn't wrong is gaining access to locations resorting to "abnormal" engine behavior.

 

[Plazek]

Since Havok you can jump marginally higher.

It is now possible to get on all these roofs and even jump straight over to where the trebuchet is from front ladders on Village with nothing more than a normal jump. I am almost certain that every single roof can now be climbed glitch free.

Every roof that can be climbed at all that is

 

[Steele]

I have no issues with people on rooftops etc as long as they've accessed that spot without glitching/exploiting.

 

[Forgin]

Hey, this only happens on village, correct?
If you have a problem with it, don't play village.

That's the most ridiculous thing anyone has said so far in this thread. Are you aware we are in BETA? Are you aware it is our task to discuss and suggest changes to the developers? Unlike you I would like to help the devs and inform them of these things, because I believe these roof tactics could seriously ruin this map once the game releases.

Load of people on roofs shooting at you?

Shoot them, they are up on a roof how much cover is there exactly? Go archer take up positions in the towers.

If you can actually work together while doing this send infantry climbing while your archers are shooting them. The enemy will either have to shoot back at the archers enabling the infantry to climb up or shoot at the infantry allong the archers on your side an easy shot.

Actually this middle roof has quite a lot of cover...

 

[WhichDoctor]

Hey, this only happens on village, correct?
If you have a problem with it, don't play village.

There is a roof on field by the river that can be jumped to with a couple of jumps. The roof overlooks the position of the catapult on fight and destroy and offers quite an advantage. There are a couple of porch roofs on ruins as well but there only really useful for avoiding cavalry and bots.

Poll altered. Old results in the first post.

Thanks 

 

[22nd_Chuck_Norris]

Hey, this only happens on village, correct?
If you have a problem with it, don't play village.

That's the most ridiculous thing anyone has said so far in this thread. Are you aware we are in BETA? Are you aware it is our task to discuss and suggest changes to the developers? Unlike you I would like to help the devs and inform them of these things, because I believe these roof tactics could seriously ruin this map once the game releases.

Load of people on roofs shooting at you?

Shoot them, they are up on a roof how much cover is there exactly? Go archer take up positions in the towers.

If you can actually work together while doing this send infantry climbing while your archers are shooting them. The enemy will either have to shoot back at the archers enabling the infantry to climb up or shoot at the infantry allong the archers on your side an easy shot.

Actually this middle roof has quite a lot of cover...

The 5 clan guys on the roof are beating you because you and your team mates are not working together as they are
(really think you would have taken on 5 guys by yourself ?)

隐藏

Unless you are Urist in disguise

There are so many simple ways to beat archers being on roofs, that it puzzles me you are complaining so much, personaly i think being able to get onto roofs without glitching adds quite alot to the game as far as fun and playability/tactics go.

 

[Hethwill]

... being able to get onto roofs without glitching adds quite alot to the game as far as fun and playability/tactics go.

 

[Forgin]

The 5 clan guys on the roof are beating you because you and your team mates are not working together as they are
(really think you would have taken on 5 guys by yourself ?)

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Unless you are Urist in disguise

There are so many simple ways to beat archers being on roofs, that it puzzles me you are complaining so much, personaly i think being able to get onto roofs without glitching adds quite alot to the game as far as fun and playability/tactics go.

I agree there are simple ways to beat archers on roofs, but archers being on roofs which are which are impossible to acces while said archers are on the roof is a different thing. If you say it's simple to beat 5 guys on the middle roof in village, explain your tactic for this because without explaining this your argument is moot.

 

[22nd_Chuck_Norris]

Why should i give away the tactic to beat it, just because you have not put any though into thinking it through, and you just saw people ingame that you could not reach on your own without getting shot, therefor you came here to rage.

Ps, i do not agree with roofs that can only be accessed by super jump. i never said i did.
only agree with the acessible one

 

[Kleidophoros]

This place is pretty much inaccesable and almost bullet proof if you go to the left part. and it seems it doesn't warrant a warning/kick/ban/whatever.

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[SCGavin]

The 5 clan guys on the roof are beating you because you and your team mates are not working together as they are

There are so many simple ways to beat archers being on roofs, that it puzzles me you are complaining so much, personaly i think being able to get onto roofs without glitching adds quite alot to the game as far as fun and playability/tactics go.

As Forgin said, that canvas-accessible roof in village has cover, so the point that you can simply shoot at them and win by using tactics is moot, as they can just go into cover and shoot from there. You might still be able to beat them, but they have an unfair advantage. If you like fighting against unfair odds, that's alright, but if others don't and if you are playing on a public server, I think that the roof should be cleared.

Ps, i do not agree with roofs that can only be accessed by super jump. i never said i did.
only agree with the acessible one

But how do you define accessible? Superjumping can be considered as accessible (you could argue, that superjumping is a way of gaining access to a roof, and therefore the roof is accessible by superjumping)? Can using canvas to access such a roof be considered accessible? Can using multiple hard-to-accomplish jumps (jump upwards+jump left and upwards) be considered accessible? Can using straight jumps (jump forwards) be considered accessible?