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It's been months - Why is death in battle STILL only enabled in player battles? It ultimately ruins every playthrough.
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Bazza_ov_da_Norf
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As 1.6 still hasn't addressed this issue (or at least I couldn't see it in the change log), is there a mod to enable death in AI vs AI battles? I can't find one on the nexus but maybe I'm searching for the wrong thing. I'd like to start a new campaign but it's pointless while death is in player battles but not AI battles, for reasons already stated.
The Pacemaker mod did exactly that and the pacing of the game feels sooo much better to me it's almost unreal, it's configurable but the default settings shortened the 21 days/season (84 days/year) of vanilla to 7 days/season (28 days/year) and the pacing is awesome, dynastic play is finally viable without passing too fast, i can actually enjoy my character and see him gets old, his siblings come to age and become my companions/lords and then play with his children by around mid-late game instead of conquering the entire known world before my first child even gets to puberty lol
Bazza_ov_da_Norf
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Just to update this thread, @Duh_TaleWorlds has said on this issue:-
If you see this Duh, thanks for the update. If you don't mind I have two related questions if you're able to answer:-
If you see this Duh, thanks for the update. If you don't mind I have two related questions if you're able to answer:-
- Can you tell us what death % chance you have have settled on (or think will be settled on)? My gut instinct from day 1 was that it would need to be reduced down to about ~2%, but obviously I don't have access to months of data.
- Will the death % chance be the same in in both player battles and AI vs AI battles? i.e no artificial difficulty by having the death % chance higher in player battles (immersion breaking)...
To my knowledge, the desired death count is ~4-5/ year at this point. However, there will likely need to be balancing over time since missions may not behave as expected.
Does TW have any plans to make lords escape from a battle that is not going well? Not only it makes sense for it to be this way but it would also lessen the amount of deaths of the lords in missions. It would add field battles more strategic depth because we can try to circle the enemy to not let them escape. And if an animation of surrender could be added, enemies that are circled in and acknowledged that they have lost the battle, they can put their weapons down and surrender to not die for a lost cause. Lords could surrender as well if they think that there is no escape. Lords with valor and honor can fight until they get neutralized but not all of them should do it like this.
Generally, Lords should manage the battle from afar and if they understand that they are going to lose the battle, they should take all their fast elite troops with them so that they won't be caught by the same party again and they can escape, leaving the loot and the expendable soldiers behind.
And if you can let us do this for ourselves with not just a "try to escape" button but with a chance to escape in a mission, taking all our horsemen with us and leave the footsoldiers, that would be amazing.
With this system, since Lords won't lose all their army, they could come back to the action quicker. The outcome of the battles wouldn't be all the same, sometimes you get the Lord as a prisoner and sometimes you cannot. Strategy of the field battles would be deeper. Game might be more balanced because lords could replenish their party quicker, and they wouldn't die at the current rate which is too high.
I know TW doesn't have a plan like this, don't mind me asking at first but please think about this.This seems to fix so many things.
They already do in 1.5.10 and 1.6.0. Even in utter curbstomp battles where I slaughter the other army 50:1 there are usually one or two lords who escape. Closer battles, something like half make it out.
Playing 1.6 i am t3 and part of a kingdom had about 15 battles with Lords apart of my Army and no one has died yet. so there has been some changes
Hmm thanks for pointing that out. I didn’t know that since I haven’t played the game since 1.5.3. But do they escape in the mission too or do they escape like in Warband where you kill the Lord with your own hands and they still somehow escape. If it is like the second one, then it won’t help the high noble death ratio for missions. They shouldn’t get knocked out too. And they should escape taking some troop with them and we should be able to see them on the map escaping after the battle.
This. Though quite pointless since they suffer a great speed penalty and you catch them to battle again. It happens in 1.5.9 as well.
They should leave their burden behind and escape with the fastest troops. If that speed penalty still affects them badly, maybe that penalty can be removed and maybe a speed bonus could be implemented because of the fear factor.
Lesbosisles
Knight at Arms
@Duh_TaleWorlds, I remember you mentioning that death in simulated battles (AI vs AI) will probably be included with the 1.6.1 or 1.6.2, but now I can't find your message about it.
Was that a dream, or did you really told that?
Was that a dream, or did you really told that?
Just to add my 2 cents, as someone whose played a lot of Warband with mods that give a chance for death anything above around 2% becomes very punishing and imho it leaves factions devastated over time. While 4-5% doesn't seem like a lot for one battle when there are 100's-1000's of battles a year it definitely takes a toll, but I guess we'll see how it plays out. Any time frame on when this will happen?
4-5 refers to total combat deaths / year in Calradia. Having said that, recent tweaks put it closer to 5-10.
An requirement for them to escape the battle is that they still stand up - which lords very rarely do after first few clashes.
1. Make AI lords not commanded by the player be alot more carefull.
2. Disable death in battle for all first X years. No benefit in killing of lords and famillies while player hunts Looters...(Mainly to protect familly-members and companions during such battles)
Ok that makes more sense thanks for the update.
Good i think 5-10 yearly will be a good balance, although have you guys addressed the need for more children at the start of the game so overall adult population doesn't drop too drastically in the first 18 years?
Some context for the above
1% = 4 deaths a year
2% = 8 deaths a year
3% = 12 deaths a year
I did this analysis during 1.5.5 so if any big population changes have happened it might not be as accurate.
Hello. If I may ask, how many people are working on the console port of Bannerlord?
